vBulletin 6
 

What are your thought about vBulletin 6? What do you think it should include?

It should include Vbulletin 3.8.8 functionality and ease of editing and creating addons and styles.

VB6?
Hopefully they concentrate on getting VB5.2 right first.

I wouldn't count on it. From what I've seen even in the other brands new releases, forum software is more like a social networking site. Some are more limited on functionality than vb5.

Developing vb5 is as useful as developing Windows 8. If something is that broken then its time to start over from scratch. But obviously that's not going to happen.

Windows 8 has a significant amount of under the hood improvements on both the server and OS level. Sadly people blew the start screen significantly out of proportion and well it ruined a great OS.

vBulletin 5 has some really great concepts, sadly they didn't execute as well as they should have and missing the ability to inject php in some way where you need it is a huge hindrance. I did my best to push addon stuff forward. But I'm not involved in that anymore.

I see you are no longer part of vb support here why

I kept (and keep) trying to get his up the priority list, Kevin did the same before he left, sadly its still not much closer to being done, which is why in 2+ years we have just 57 modification releases. I fear that by the time a hook system is implemented, there will be no one left interested in using said system.

He left IB a few months ago, did you miss that ?

If he said on .com site I never go over there

Wait... Kevin left? When did that happen?

I've been sticking with vbulletin but I'm now seriously looking for alternatives.

They should hurry up and make an announcement / release it / something ... vb5 is a total disaster - no one wants it.

Problem is: Given that there's even less developers this time, and even more know-how has left since the development of vB5, and the pressure coming from the management will probably even higher - I'm not so sure vB6 can be much of an improvement. Remember: vB5 was once supposed to be the make-good for vB4...

He got another job local to him, and left about 2/3 weeks ago.

Release what ?

There isnt any such thing as vBulletin 6, not even on a drawing board atm.

Hopefully IB just buys a new forum and calls it VB6.

Please fix vbulletin 4.x and/or enhance the same.
Vbulletin 5.x is not at all recommended as tested on some site(s)..

But 4.x plays a very important role bringing in social media support (configure accordingly) and responsive site..

I haven't even began suggesting vB5 to my clients, 99% are on vB4 and vB3 with the few who did make the jump to 5.x regretting it heavily.

RAWR! vB6? WHAT'S DAT? Ahhhhhh I C vB6 = Very Broken v6

I mean can we get someone to finally do something instead of telling us to vote for something that is apparently not COMMON SENSE yet should be (@management, just say HEY guys re-include the plugin/hooks system we dropped the ball by removing it, we removed the ability to customize vB which is why many were directed to our software to begin with... our bad, we didn't realize it would change things back then and make us look bad - thanks cheers etc).

If they'd re-include a hooks/plugin system like Paul mentioned it would change things, they won't though because of the p0wertards who ruined vB's name (imo) after patiently and maliciously waiting several months before launching a tard campaign to help hack or teach others how to hack over 30k vBulletin forums. I said it in the past, I'll say it now *me thinks* someone at IB simply dropped the ball by removing the plugin system in an effort to save face - case in point you never cut off your nose to spite your face.

Edit: Vote for it here: http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-10333
*Mumbles that this is sooooooooooo (insert expletive here) stupid we shouldn't even be required to do this (insert expletive here) (insert expletive here) (insert expletive here)... *cough *cough AS YOU WERE, NOTHING TO SEE HERE lol

@TheLastSuperman

soooo, Why don't you stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel.:D

No, please not. Why let them ruin another system...

Huh ? "Save Face" ? What are you talking about ?

I have to say that I am proud that Paul posted on a thread that is going off topic, sorta and did not close it. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/ https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/

Thanks for the info, Paul.

What they need to do is listen to the community, I mean look at IP.Board, it seems so much more organized over there.

Of course you can't blame things directly on the developers, people above them may be pulling the strings which could be extremely frustrating to the developers. (I've been in situations like that before myself)

vB4.2.3 is quite good.
vB5 does not even have feature parity.
vB5 nice ideas very poorly done.
vB5 is not a way forward for us at this time

Kym

NP.

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This would be a very short thread if it stayed exactly on topic.

A little more flexibility is allowed in the non technical areas, esp if its not going downhill.

Ah, but one could argue that going downhill is definitely on topic in this thread ;)

I hope they buy xenforo and called it vb6.

Big company can buy anything. Macromedia - Adobe. Google -Youtube

I don't. XenForo doesn't suit everyone. It fits its market well, but that market isn't a good fit for every site.

Forum software generally needs to head somewhere different. None of the current systems - including XenForo - do anything other than tweak what is now a decades-old concept. There's nothing truly innovative in any of them.

The trouble is, what do you do? vB5 actually did try to innovate quite a bit (whatever people may think of the actual execution of that), but a lot of the changes got reversed during the early alphas because they were universally disliked. Now, a lot of the developmental focus seems to be on making it more like vB4 and vB3 rather than adding anything truly innovative, because that's what customers are demanding.

So the problem you have is - change stuff too much and existing forum owners will run a mile.
Keep things as they are and the market continues to stagnate as the general public seem to prefer nonsense like Facebook and Twitter.

I don't profess to know the way forward.

So they can ruin it, just like they ruined vB when they bought Jelsoft?

If you want to use xenForo, just buy it and use it. No need for IB to get involved and spoil it for everyone.

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And with good cause. Change for change's sake serves no one, and especially so if it's only half thought through, without concept and technically half-baked.

Is it really so surprising that people who run a forum want a software that offers a working forum solution? And, be honest, people did not dislike vB5 because it tried to be innovative, but because it was slow, buggy as hell and missing half the features they were used to. Blaming the vB5 desaster on ignorant customers won't change that.

Offer working and maintained integration with social media for those who want to use it. Make it optional for those who won't.

But whatever you do, offer good quality software. That's the point. And honestly, this is not going to happen with IB.

I am very happy to read this topic and intelligent discussion. And even happier to know that "listen to us."

Who is listening to what?

Administration

You are talking in riddles.

Come on Cellarius, that isn't the point I was making as you well know. I even stated as much in the post.

The issue is nothing whatsoever to with "slow, buggy as hell". It is that by and large, customers seem to prefer forums to function in much the same way they have always done. If you want to take vB out of the equation, it's why XenForo seems to do very well (software that works pretty much like forums always have), whereas Vanilla is struggling (software that tries to do it differently).

Honestly? You think that vB5's failure has nothing to with that? Or xenForo's success has nothing to do with quality? It's all just customers being backwards? IB just a victim of it's innovative approach? That has to be an interesting parallel universe working for IB.

Whenever I have an issue, I try my best to NOT go to the .com site. Trying to search for a solution over there is tedious at best.

Would you like to point out where I said any of that?

This is why joining in these type of threads is just utterly pointless.

Words = twisted

You guys if we could use tone I'd sass the lot of ya! :p :D ;)

Some folks prefer Chevy to Ford and vice-verse, most just because however some due to having valid complaints. I dare not point blame, I shall though laugh at shame and with that I'm off to local yard sales folks! I do crack the humor, my wife the whip.

Just read your posts. I even quoted the most relevant parts.

@Superman: This is not about who prefers what forum, but an IB-employee spinning the facts in a way that blames the vB5 fail on the customers. This is ludicrous.

That's not what I'm doing at all.

Below is my post again, for clarity. I am talking about the fact that forum software is generally in decline because it doesn't innovate, and the reason it doesn't innovate is because its existing customer base doesn't want it to and balks at anything that deviates too far from the norm. I also pointed out that this is why XenForo does ok (it's just the same forum structure and system that's been used for decades, with a couple of bells and whistles on top) whereas software such as Vanilla, that tries to be completely different, struggles to make any real impact. The trouble is, XenForo (and Invision as well) "does ok" amongst an ever-diminishing group of customers who want to run forums. How does any company break out of that and attract brand new customers who are used to Facebook and Twitter, without alienating everyone it already has? That's the issue.

Not one iota of the below text "blames vB5's failure on customers".

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Forum software generally needs to head somewhere different. None of the current systems - including XenForo - do anything other than tweak what is now a decades-old concept. There's nothing truly innovative in any of them.

The trouble is, what do you do? vB5 actually did try to innovate quite a bit (whatever people may think of the actual execution of that), but a lot of the changes got reversed during the early alphas because they were universally disliked. Now, a lot of the developmental focus seems to be on making it more like vB4 and vB3 rather than adding anything truly innovative, because that's what customers are demanding.

So the problem you have is - change stuff too much and existing forum owners will run a mile.
Keep things as they are and the market continues to stagnate as the general public seem to prefer nonsense like Facebook and Twitter.

I don't profess to know the way forward.

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Almost as ludicrous as someone trying to twist a post about what customers seem to prefer into the poster blaming customers.

oh wait .........

If they want vbulletin 6 to be success the works on it should be started where vbulletin 3.8.X were ended. So, vBulleting 3.8.X should be modernized and some new optional functionality should be added (more social networking and interactions between users, stuff like for example Personalized Activity Stream - current mods for that suck).