Showing Appreciation has lost on nowadays. Pity :(
 

Hello all,

Without having in mind to blame anyone, I want to share my opinion. And the best solution to make my post independent I'll not talk for myself but for another Coder here. Let's see what the numbers are saying:

Ozzy47
Total Posts: 10,454 (5.24 posts per day)
Total Mods: 211
Total Downloads of his mods: Difficult to count them but with an average 25 per mod > 5,000

And now some statistics of his site:
Members: 699

A bit better are the statistics for BirdOPrey5 and his site, but again there is a big difference comparing his site's member with his work here (Posts and Mods).

All of you here are webmasters. All of you are working to find more free mods and style to impove your site. Right? For what? For getting more registrations, for making your site more active and thus to earn some more money from advertisments (in case that your site is free), or to sell more (in case for shops, or membership).

After all I'm wondering for something simple. Why you don't give the same to those coders/designers who are operating their own website? For sure they didn't spent their money to buy a license, or to pay for hosting, for nothing. To have an operating site means that they want new registrations.

Is there any taboo on registering on coder's sites? That's all that I want to know. I'm expecting now to read many personal attacks like: "Why to register to your site while you've shut down your sites at least 5 times?". Correct. Read the reason above. Ig you had a site with 50 members how long you had to keep it active? I'm sure much less time than the time that I was keeping my sites live. And finally, during my 8 years activity as coder for vB, I've registered in more than 100 sites just to offer help. I didn't registered to get something but to offer something. Try to search some old sites and don't surprised if you see "MicroHellas" as member there.

That's all that I had to say. Again without the minimum bad thought in my mind. Without to blame, offend, insult anyone (person). But yes I blame the "activity" (it's not the right word, but can't find any other now).

Christos

Unfortunately these days not many people want to pay for things. Its hard these days being a freelancer for all of us that do it. Especially when you have people running around doing stuff like creating custom skins for $100 and the skins look like crap, they are coded improperly and it looks like a 12 year old did it, but everyone wants to get a good deal. Unfortunately here on vBulletin.org it has gotten quite thin. There used to be tons of people on here and at least 8-10 posts in the Paid section a day. I could pick clients really easily just off this site, but its so slow here now and so many developers have dumped vBulletin that I'm afraid this is one reason for the low numbers.

And I remember your contribution back when you were MicroHellas. I signed up on your site back then and I had bought a shopping cart from you at one time. :) I have always thought that you were very professional & courteous to customers. :)

I'm not talking for paying, that's why I used as main example Ozzy47's website where everything is free.

Talking fro myself now. First of all monitoring bugs here is almost impossible. Threads are good for discussions but not for bugs. Also suggesions, even if they can post here and other users can use the Like feature, again is simplier and easier using vB Project Tools.

But the main problem (talking for me again), is that it's impossible to control updates and posts. I already post my vB mods in TAZ and soon I'll post them in other sites too. How is possible to control all updates in different sites? One more thing. I've mods/scripts that I can't post here. eg a WP plugin, a Facebook application, some PHP scripts etc.

We show appreciation different ways. Registering on their site might be one, but really, there's got to be a reason to regularly visit a site. And I can't imagine one can put in any real quality time helping out, if you're a member at hundreds of them. We've all built our boards for our own niche subjects, and according to our own unique visions, to the best of our abilities. If I release a mod here, I really don't expect that's going to translate into membership. You guys have a diverse range of interests, and the only unifying one is running a community. Outside of that, it'd be sheer coincidence if our interests crossed over in a way that we would have any means to even be helpful on each other's live sites.

I agree. I think the question is, why *would* someone register? There should be something more than just wanting to run up the numbers. I mean, if someone has a goal of getting registrations (or installs or releases or posts) to 'X' just for their own satisfaction that's fine, but if it's not working out then I don't see that there's anything to complain about.

Well one reason would be the fact to easily track bug reports, or feature requests.

Try going through this thread, https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=168992

Find me every bug report, and feature request. :p

That's one reason, sure. But again, the unifying reason there would be that we're all forum admins. Same with sites like TAZ and Digital Point. But the fact that every Installed user isn't a member on the author's respective website is not a lack of appreciation, as Nick suggests. It's more a matter of time and familiarity.

I can imagine monitoring bugs would be a total nightmare if you had things posted in several places. I've done that in the past with free skins and it is hard to keep up with I agree. But if your purpose is to drive traffic to your site then it might well worth it if it also drives revenue to you in the way of new clients/projects. So its a double edged sword of sorts.

As for posting mods of different software types this is actually an idea I've kicked around for some time. I have wanted to create a site that not only allows people to post say vBulletin, but Wordpress, Joomla, X-Cart whatever they have in mods & skins. That has been a huge idea that I've wanted to do for some time personally. Kind of an all-in-one place.

Oh dear lord NO! NEIN! NYET! NADA! NOPE! NONONO!

You need a second one? That's one is not enought for spending someone 3 min to register somewhere? The coders needs X 10 times more just to short out which of 100's of the posts are bug reports, which are questions or suggestions etc.

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Like??....:rolleyes: From my experiance type of appretiation that I experianced are:

1.- Demo? Don't you have a demo? You're setting a demo and the next question: Demo account login? It asked me to register (usally a 1 min task as most demo installation does not have email confirmations etc etc).

2.- Very nice addon. Can you please add A... B.. and C? If you do the mistake to add something, then: Very nice. Thank you for adding A & B. Now can you also add D, E and maybe F features.

3.- In my site "mysite.com" I want to add this xxx special feature. Can you add it?

4.- I got error "xxxx"....... after 2 hours without reply, a new post with those red face icons "No support, Uninstalled, I hate xxx coder", even if a quick look in my postbit can shows that when the post made it was 3am for me.

5.- How many types of bad appreciations do you want me to list? There are dozens more...

Modifications and add-ons are also one of the reasons why forums are a success. I mean look at vBulletin 5, it's not a success at all and when you look at the mods section, you might know why.

I'd appreciate it already if people just simply make a "thank you" post in my release threads. In case people use a mod/style which they use all the time and save them a lot of time, they should just donate a few bucks to the author to show appreciation. The author potentially worked on a mod/style for days and they don't get anything in return.

I'll use again Ozzy47's statistics. What about Ad revenue? I'm totally novice on this topic as never used advertisments. But have heard that some people are getting good money (good money can be $200 for someone who earns $0 from his coding work).

So with simple calculations if his site had 5000 users instead of 700 and 150,000 posts instead of 22,000 for sure he has the possibility to earn something from advertisments.

But mostly.... how to say it.... is not about money.... It's the feeling that you're not alone in the ship. That there are some people there to discuss anything you like.

You're assuming active users, not just registrations. So like I said above, there has to be something there to make it worth the trouble of registering. I'm guessing most admins don't want to spend much time discussing mods.

Just as a side note, I do not have any adverts on my site, the above was a example.

For sure I mean active registrations. Maybe my post was not clear. Simple registrations can be done easily with a simple script, even manually if admin has some free time.

And I didn't meant to move all posts from here to the coder's site. NO !!. There are so many simple questions that can be post and reply here. I meant ONLY the bug reports. Mainly because they need a faster reply but also because using Project Tools monitoring them is much easier.

And also, time. It's only been relatively recently that Ozzy's opened his site up for registrations. It was a closed site, just a test site, as little as 18 months ago. Joe's has been open and active for years.

I definitely see examples every day of what you're talking about though. Several folks here who have already replied help out people here on vBorg every day, but very seldom even get a "Like" from the people they help. More often done but often omitted too, is the simple "Thank you" post in the thread where the help was received.

Seems it would be quite a stretch to expect these ingrates, these non-thankers, to take time out of their busy schedules to actually register on the sites of these folks who help them for free.

You would be surprised at how many people pissed and moaned because I have them register at my site to get the updated spiders list. They say, well put it on here, or I will just get it from a warez site.

Real classy.

EXACTLY !! This is what I want to say but my dammit English can't help me to express my real thoughts and feelings. Even the "Lost appratiation" don't know if it's the right word (or the best word).

To come back on me. I know (and I accept is as true), that many times I gave up my site, I even asked TheLastSuperman to Ban me for ever as a way to give up completely from this site. But I DON'T accept as true what some members are saying that I dropped my mods. That's not true. I gave them, now to Ozzy47, earlier to micheal332001 etc. Only Ozzzy47 kept his word to continue supporting them.

I found my microCART and microSUPPORT being dead. Two mods that I've spent some months to code. And started from microCART not only I fixed all known bugs but I added more and more features. While others were celebrating Christmas and New Year Eve, I was with my pyjamas trying to fix them. Yes, I got many Likes and Thank you. But as you can see my site has 5 members only, with 2 of them to be me and a demo account. Pitty :(

I was saying it is a unreasonable expectation for them to register at the board of someone who helped them or provided a great Mod, being as how you can't even get a plain ole "thanks" around here..Self absorbed people who never realize or don't care that guys like you and others who have replied here give their help freely, ask for nothing in return, and spend countless hours of their lives doing it.

Pardon me for getting all philosophical about this, but I use the people here for for my own selfish purposes.

I learned long ago that a life of fun is pretty trivial and frivolous. What makes life really enjoyable is accomplishing something, even if the accomplishments are trivial and frivolous. In years past I got my jollies building things -- concrete, wood, steel, I could do 'em all. But now that I'm getting old a creaky-jointed I've turned to a new pastime, writing code. If members of my forum or people here at vB.org get some good out of my projects I can convince myself I've accomplished something, and fortunately I'm pretty gullible on that matter.

So I always get some ingrates but as long as some people like my stuff I'm happy. You get something for free and I get to think I've done something. Win/win.

If everyone who downloaded one of my mods also registered on my site, they would just get pruned since I don't keep inactive members on my site. :D Of course, my site has nothing to do with my modifications. But, you are really making an assumption here that registration numbers actually mean anything. It is *active* members that mean something to a site.

I am registered on countless sites from here and am active on a few that I have helped over the years... I get the generic vbulletin birthday greetings every year... I appreciate everything all of you have done for this community.
If I could, I would give to you all because you all deserve it.
I think you are all awesome.

This is all a great hobby to me, I could care less if anyone registers on my sites... I just enjoy editing vbulletin code and helping others if I can.

I'm not entirely sure you get what I'm saying. I'm talking about the reason an average user might register on another site. I'm not referring to the reason you, as an author, would want them to. Those are two different things.


As the developer of a handful of add-ons, I greatly appreciate when someone tells me when something isn't working. I want to know that, more than I want to be congratulated. I want to make my product better. The "thanks you"s and "Likes" are great, and stroke my ego in the moment. But, ultimately, feedback is the only thing that makes the product better. And if my product isn't the best it can be, if it isn't functional in certain situations, if I didn't make an instruction explicitly clear, if there's errors in the code or design, then I'm not doing as much as I could be to improve the community. We show each other appreciation by helping each other with problems that come up as administrators. We help the less experienced, and many of those will one day do the same. We help each other in fields that one may understand better than another, and create a situation where that knowledge is now accessible and searchable to the group. It's not about direct reciprocated adulation. The community would end up dysfunctional if it only worked that way. If a few people flip-out because they don't understand how that all works and don't grasp how free support is handled, well, administration is probably not for them. Doesn't mean the appreciation is not there. It's just not an ego stroke, which, as I said, isn't all that useful or helpful in the long run.

The failure to increase readership is not on the reader but the writer.

The only reason to register at a website is because it offers something of value to the reader.

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Tip for those who want to grow their readership...

Focus on what people need and you will create a following.

Stop talking about yourself. It's never about you.

It's about me.

Seriously?!?! :rolleyes:

First: If you want people to register on your site and post bugs there then you have to tell them that. They are not mind readers. I see many developers on here do that and I'm sure they have people do just that to get free support.

Second: If this bothers you then perhaps you should not ask people what they think will improve the mod. If you ask them then they are likely to reply and tell you what they wanted on their site. Why would they be looking for something that does not work with their site? Why would they ask for things that would not be beneficial to THEIR web site. As a programmer and coder its up to you whether you want to add it or not and they know that. If all of this is because of THIS post that I made then I do not know what to tell you. As I said in the post you asked if the link you posted was what I was thinking and it was not quite what I was thinking. So I spent quite a bit of time myself posting about what i was looking for. That post did not take me 5 minutes to put together. You know just because I made that post does not mean I want you to run out and code that right this second or at all. I was not asking for you to do all those things within a free mod that you have for download here. I, of all people, understand that time is money and that being a freelancer is difficult. But if this is your answer to my post then I guess you are not quite as professional as I first thought or perhaps you have changed from several years ago. A professional would have said in the mod thread possibly something like, "I'm sorry, but I do not have _______ planned for this mod at this time, thanks." I'm just trying to help you but if you do not want it then that is fine, I won't.

ROFL. Er yeah and they would be lost and not know what the heck to do for most of them anyways. I'm a member there. :)

It's on the top of the product's page with red letters since the release of the 1.0.0 version.

First, what I remember (maybe I'm wrong) is that I had said clearly that the main focus is to fix bugs from microCART. Even more I've said that it will be a version just for downloadable products. What I asked was to report any bugs, and to comment on my idea to add donations.

Secondary and most important. Reffering microCART/eCommerce was just an example. A simple search in ALL (really ALL) plugins from any coder, you'll see just by reading the first 1-2 pages, requests for new features.


Definetelly not!. I just got the idea that you're looking for something like this and I remembered a post that I've did some 1 1/2 year ago.

Meh, since you decided to bring my name into it... Yes and No.

You requested but then ultimately you directly called for it in a thread and violated the rules. Furthermore despite my recent posts in your mod thread and contrary to the belief many may have surmised from such a post about not using a mod if you don't believe the authors integrity is of some value based on past behavior, I agree with the OP who posted and I will not install a mod by you even if I do have the ability to maintain it myself. You've caused more trouble for members here in my opinion by doing the same thing countless times. I've never known any other coder to do that, ever. I could point out several other things including lies to me directly however I won't be specific I'll just say that I hate seeing threads like this from you, I see no value in them whatsoever.

I've understood fine what you wrote after "You've caused more....." but nothing before. Strange that even Google translator does not gives a meanful translation. Are you speaking a dialect of English? Nothing bad on it. Just to know. Even in Greek there are so many dialects that I don't understand.

Also should be very useful to readers if you use paragraphs. A long sentence with different meaning is not the right way. That's why there are paragraphs. To seperate meanings.

As for "hate seeing threads..." didn't expected to read such word from you.

"OP" ??? What it does means? Why most English speaking people are thinking that we must know the abbreviations? We have problem to fully understand the normal phrases, how is possible to understand the abbreviations? It's an international forum.

When I'll understand the first sentence I'll come back to comment it.

I know the language barrier can be difficult, exacerbated by the fact that Google Translate can be...wiggy. (Nope, that last word won't translate. But you get the idea.) OP is short for Original Poster or Thread Starter. Basically, he's saying he finds this thread, and the ones you've started that are similar to this one, troublesome. I think I know which thread you're both referring to, where you asked to be banned. I'm pretty sure you can't ask that publicly.

Thank you. I thought that OP means something like Operator. Anyway. Do you know where is that thread? I thought that our discussion was only by PMs.

And what bad does this thread has? I'm just wrote my opinion. Some users agreed with me, some others no. It's normal. Never said that I hate you (please is just as example) because in some points you don't agree with me.

And what I'm saying here again is not about my mods. For a proof look here:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=298471

It's not mine mod. But I felt frustated when I read just in the second post:
"Very nice work, any chance of adding ad locations in search results such as forum display, etc? Also nice might be controlling ad views by usergroup..."
so humanly I replied: "Let the author get a breath. Is just one day only that he released the mod". You can't find it as it has been removed. But you can understand it from the next post.

I've heard many times that people don't like my personality. Acceptable. What I'm saying to my daughter is to avoid finding a man like me. I know very well my habits. But my God, here is not a Dating site to criticize me depending my personality but depending my work. I'm not looking for life partner here :D

So as long as my post is a general post, what's the bad with it?

Yes, it was removed at the time, and quite correctly as well.
It was not your modification, and not your position to be criticizing members who post requests to the actual coder (who, for all you know, might have been quite happy to get the suggestion).

I have no clue what this thread is supposed to be about either, but I do know that arguments with other members will get it closed, so I suggest you move away from that. ;)

You can close it Paul without any problem from my side (as I'm thread's starter). Honestly I wanted to know the reason that prohibites members to registret in coder's side. That's why I took the risk to appear again rude and I asked it straight, face to face.

It was easy to use a trick and push them to register in my site. A few only appreciated it. No problem, I'll use the "PRO" version way as most coders are doing.

echhhh... come on. This is not totally true. Wrong that I criticazed something that it was not mine, but there was before a reply from the author saying almost the same. Anyway. Maybe I'm wrong after almost 2 years.

Don''t bother NickTheGreek. Most users are selfish. All they want is to get what they need, in this case the mods. And they do not care how many hours the developer put in to code that mod, or spend on providing support for it, as long as they got what they wanted. The only time that you will see them speak, is when they run into difficulties with the mod or request extra features (that is my favorite btw :D).