what is up with aquarium forums and vbulletin 5?
 

It seems like all of the fish tank forums are moving to vbulletin 5. The members seem to like it for some reason. barrreport.com has moved to vbulletin 5, monsterfishkeepers with 7 million plus posts is moving to vbulletin 5, aquariuacenteral (owned by the owner of monsterfishkeepers) with 2 million plus posts is moving to vbulletin 5 and reefcenteral with 27 million plus posts is planning to move to vbulletin 5 by the end of this year. It seems that aquarium forum owners like vbulletin 5 for some reason. My fish forum is running phpbb and i plan to move it to vbulletin 4 in a few months.

Source?

Sounds fishy.

Get it?

:D

LOL a little :D

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Give them time they will probably go back to vBulletin 4 eventually lol.

they set up a demo site and the members like it for some reason

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lol :D

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the announcements section of their forum. Here is a link to the one on monsterfishkeepers: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...er-changes-etc

Do yourself a favor stay with vBulletin 4 when you transfer your site from phpBB. Even if they all seem to like it remember vBulletin 5 has been reported to be pretty buggy and have many problems and in a couple of months the bugs may have those big sites asking someone to put their site back to vBulletin 4 like so many others.

They have no idea what vB5 means (desaster), and think hey, cool, new software, new features. Let's see how much they like it once it's done.

Anyway, the way the forum you linked to above in #6 is styled, I totally can understand that the users are grasping for straws. This must be one of the 10 most horrible styles I came across.

Yeah agreed. Right now its just being "tested" wait until they are done testing it. They will soon see that its not as cool as they first thought.

LOL, yeah my thought exactly.

I feel bad for all those helpless members.

i do too :(

What is important is that the owner, and community are happy. Sometimes that's going to be vBulletin, sometimes its not going to be vBulletin. Its their choice :)

"This is the dawning of the age of aquariums, age of aquariuuuuumss.. Aquariums... Aquar-i-ummmmmmsss..."

ROFL, glad I was not taking a swig of tea when I read that.

<a href="http://barrreport.com" target="_blank">http://barrreport.com</a> looks better running vb5 than it did running vb4.

Must have been just, horrible looking before.

It's horribly slow now.

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150117_WD_10FB/

it was horrible before.

It was just the default style, before.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141217...arrreport.com/

Which is alot better looking than this v5 crap.

Looked alot busier back then too, it looks deader than a doornail now.

they went back to the default style.

Page not found it will not even open now.

Add www to the link. I think it looks better now. But I'm biased.:up:

Ah ok :)

Thanks for the chuckle DJ.

A simple fix for a webmaster who knows what they are doing.. Ofcourse if they are going to vb5 we can assume they are inexperienced to start with..lol

In the archives all we ever see is the v4 default style.

At any rate, it's clear they killed their site, traffic wise comparing a year ago, to today. It's dead today, a ghost town.

Vbulletin.com has been horribly slow since it went to VB 5 ( may be better now havent been on the forums their in months)
You would think that the company that wrote VB and is also now in the VB hosting game could pour enough hardware and resources to fix their own flagship site ....

I have 2 large VB sites and am very disappointed in the direction that Internet Brands and VB have gone.

v5 is slow, right out of the box. But then again, v4 is slower than v3. So there ya go.

Yep! vB4 can be pretty slow itself and does seem to have some really bloated code compared to vb3. But I actually like vB4 better now that I got over it lol.

Honestly, this thread makes me laugh.

These chosen are happy with vB5 - whether you like it or not.

Why can't you all accept that some people might just be happy with their choice, and the fact that you don't approve of that choice doesn't matter one jot?

Well, the users that moved, made a choice and moved, and either stay because they like it, or they have to because they upgraded a live site, without taking a backup, and can not downgrade.

So they expressed their opinion by upgrading to vB5, just as the users here are expressing their disgust with it.

Nothing that has been said in a lie, it is all truth. :)

Nobody's NOT accepting it. We all know ignorance is bliss.

What, you have some problem with actual facts being posted?

You need to understand that your OPINION is not necessarily the same as FACT, and that people who disagree with you are not "ignorant".

I got the impression, from reading this thread in particular, and from reading the site in general, that anyone who get's vB5 is either inexperienced or ignorant or some variation of "not smart". I don't get that. A year or so ago, someone on TAZ suggested I keep my opinions to myself because I didn't have a board with millions of members and threads, like he did. I thought that was pretty tasteless, and expressed it as such.

I've only been back a week, and it seems like if vB5 gets mentioned once, it becomes a pile on. I'm not saying it isn't in anyone's rights to do that. I just wonder why it has to happen every thread. And I wonder why users who've decided to go with it should have their motives or intellect (or website) impuned.

Absolutely my thoughts as well. It happens on other websites too. The same group of people seem to have made it their business to insult, belittle and demean anyone who refuses to acknowledge a certain viewpoint as being the only possible truth.

There have even been cases of people signing up to customer sites and haranguing the owner about how awful vBulletin is and how they must be stupid to use it, etc.

It's really quite disturbing at times.

There's plenty of software I don't like but I don't question the intelligence of people who use it. Different solutions work for different people.

I think that's because most developers are pissed that it's pretty much impossible to make plugins for vBulletin 5 because of its limitations. We WANT TO create stuff for vBulletin 5 but we simply can't.

Except, as far as this thread goes, everything posted about v5 IS factual. It's not opinion. You can't debate the topic so you try to make it something it's not.

And for the most part yes, it is uninformed people who get themselves caught in the v5 trap. That's ignorance and it does not mean these people are stupid. They are merely ignorant of the product and the consequences of installing it.

It just is what it is and no amount of touchy-feely, apologist bromide and fake testimonials is going to change it. vBulletin 5 is a piece of crap, it is SO far away from what the product has been and was, it's related to vBulletin in name only.

You're not the post police. If you don't like what people post, there's a very handy block feature here.

Now Mark, how many threads are there on vb.com or here on vb.org praising vB5, and how many are there made by people missing features (and getting told "that's not yet in vB5), complaining about sluggishnes, finding existing features buggy (and get told after two years "that will be in the next version, isn't that great?") and unfunctional ("that's the way it was designed")?

And how many of those users said "I trusted vB, because it always was a great product, but OMG, if only I had read all this before upgrading, now, how can I go back to vB4"?

What if they don't care? I mentioned this before, but we're not the majority of vBulletin owners. We like modifications. Most forum owners only ever use the stock features. If the posts work. If user accounts are created successfully. If people can search. Then that's all they'll ever really demand be functional. Not having hooks will be a moot point for them. Factor in that they've never been part of these communities or know anything about past versions extensibility, and for them, the fact is, vBulletin is working for them.

I think we get caught up in the popularity of the modifications here. What was the last count of people who had vBulletin installed? What was the fraction of users who actually used plugins? That's not to say it isn't a solid community. But we're hardly vB's bread n' butter. You can debate if that's fair or not. But you can't really declare it's horrible-ilty as unilateral fact, when it's what you want out of the software that determines that. If someone else is getting everything they need out of the software, that's neither inexperience, naiviety or ignorance. That's just having different needs.

These two statements cannot be more true of the stated facts about vBulletin 5. In most cases I've seen people who upgraded did not research before the upgrade and they upgraded a live site and did not perform the upgrade in a controlled test environment. Then not too long after that they come back and post on either this site or vBulletin.com asking how they can put vBulletin 5 back to vBulletin 4 because they are now losing members, revenue, & traffic on their site BECAUSE of the upgrade and the bugs that were incurred with vBulletin 5.

@Mark I never said anyone using vBulletin 5 was stupid nor did I say they were ignorant. I simply have said in threads to people that were trying to decide what to install that vBulletin 5 is KNOWN to be buggy at best. I simply think quite a few people are misinformed and vBulletin (Internet Brands) is surely not going to inform them that the product is full of bugs and has many performance issues. I'll say to you what I said to Zachery in another thread. I realize that you are probably paid to be a vBulletin cheerleader but I'll not recommend a product to people that I believe is buggy or that will cause them a loss of members & revenue.

As for stalking people on other sites and posting about vBulletin 5 being buggy, that is not something I do personally. I really do not have time for that kind of immature 12 year old type of mentality and don't participate in it. I rarely post on vBulletin.com and when I do its related to my license or a problem I have with what I'm running on my site and that is it. But people come to this site & vBulletin.com to find out about vBulletin and ask questions about what they should run, how they should run it and what they should install etc. And they should get the full story about the product as a whole whether vBulletin or Internet Brands likes it or not. If Internet Brands has such a problem with what people are saying about their product why don't they just fix it and make things right instead of ignoring the problems?

And nobody's done that or is doing that. Strawman much?