do not buy vB 5.0
 

I got vB 5.0 and there is no support at all and your ticket never get answer. the program is very very poor almost no adds on special for vB 5.0.5 got nothing at all.
The main thing is after you pay all you get is a middle finger nothing else, do not spend money on this crap vbulletin 5!:mad:

Vb 4.x is way better.

And vB 3.8.X is way betternat!

To be honest it is marketed as a beta!

It's sad I know but have you seen how many people don't use forums any more, and how hard it is to get members for your forum and then to be able to keep them interested.

They say facebook does not harm forums, well I beg to differ on that one.

I still don't get why people are buying vB5, knowing vB5 is new and has issues, only to get angry when that all turns out to be true. Did anybody read the forums, demo the software on the website or Google it? I know if I ignore bad reviews, I only have myself to blame.

I think I am on safe side with 4.2.2 version.

Because if they're selling it, it should be fit for consumption: it should work. This isn't shareware, there should be refunds for anyone with an unfixable problem. They're just begging to be sued.

I've seen far too many open-source projects have really poor documentation, if any at all..

But vbulletin 5 is really very poor than others..

To this day I still hear people complain that Vbulletin 5 has poor documentation.

Tell me guys; why?

I have 2 licenses, 1 vb3 and 1 vb4. but will never buy vb5, let's see in a few years for vb6 :D

genius lvl 6000+ :P

If that were the criterion for being able to sue people, then I should be able to sue for every car I've owned. Ever. "Because they're selling" is terrible reasoning for "I should buy it", without doing a shred of research. I check the reviews before I buy a .99 cent app.

It will someday go the way of MySpace though. Might take a little longer due to mobile addiction, but it will.

Keep in mind, the reason MySpace "went out", as the saying goes, is because MySpace was ultimately a terrible service. The code was dated and slow. Users could customize their pages to the extent that they typically bogged it down with videos and music embeds that slowed it even more. (And was never valid embed code.) And the ability to use custom CSS resulted in some of the most god-awful color combinations you could ever possibly imagine in your worst, fever-induced nightmares.

Add to all that, there was nothing to do there. There was no feed to see what your Friends were doing, and they didn't implement one until years after Facebook made it the standard.


With that said, MySpace is kind of nice now. Not what it was, but kind of nice: https://myspace.com/digitaljedi


Facebook isn't killing forums. They're not going to Facebook for discussion of their favorite niche. They're going for a one stop source of all their niches, friends and family's up-to-date info. If they have an interest in a particular topic, they'll go to those sites. After all, the internet is a big place. If being able to do all the stuff you do on Facebook killed all the other sites that specialize in what Facebook also does, Facebook would be killing the internet. No, people will seek out their favorite topic in spite of Facebook, and they'll visit your forum if they 1) find it in the sea of forums that already cover your topic, 2) have an interest in actually discussion that topic 3) are attracted to the vibe of your forum. Which are the things you had for and against you long before Facebook existed.

What Facebook might be killing, though, is off-topic, general discussion forums. Those were tough to build in the first place. I can't see them thriving in a Facebook world, easily.

Poor logic. "not being right for me" is no reason to sue someone. "Not doing what they said it would do" is a perfect reason to sue someone. If you bought a brand new BMW and found it would only turn left, you could easily and successfully sue. Did you?

vBulletin should have stayed with version 3 for a lot longer than it did when IB took over, IB reminds me of other companies that i have seen that do a take over, all they want is their money back asap and advance too fast and mistakes with product releases trying to get as much as possible out of it before it dies.

It didn't die - they killed it!!!

Concur with that, but what's REALLY happening is, the mobile addiction. Forums by and large really haven't caught up yet with being mobile device friendly - people just want to use their phone for everything. It's convenience and it's dopamine.

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Roger that.

Hm, and if they hide their customer reviews (aka feedback) from new customers?

But again, I should be able to sue every car company I ever purchased a car from on that basis. The way people post about vB5, is as if everything they've ever purchased before actually was superior "to the leading brand".


From new customers? I mean, if you went ahead and bought the product without reviewing it...that kinda goes back to my point. :confused:

:-) but again, we're not talking about a product that's inferior to the leading brand, we're talking about catastrophic failure, about a product not fit for purpose - something that simply does not work. The cars you bought, I assume, started up and took you from A to B. Vbulletin 5 does not currently do that. My "latest activity" and "latest updated posts" etc display in largely random order. The Vbulletin tech says "hmm very puzzling" and that he hasn't seen this before. And I haven't heard anything back. If your new BMW didn't work and you heard that from the BMW dealer....well it would just never happen.

What I'm suggesting is, the product does basically work. It's a forum. If you got posts and threads that largely function as posts and threads, you've got a working forum. It gets you from A to B. The problems with vB aren't basic functionality. The problems are the air conditioner doesn't work right, the radio speakers are buggy and...do you smell gas? None of these seem like anything that would get you far in a court case.

So it's a fine line, granted. But my latest posts stream doesn't work and that means people can't interact with my forum which means it's down the drain, bust.

You should start a thread on that here, there are tons of folks in this community who help others. You might be surprised.

Already done here and on the vbulletin.com forum No responses from either.

Jelsoft is from UK while IB is from US :D
Look at xenforo now (is from UK) and it's a far away better.
I bought one license from them.

VB5 works if you want a basic forum with no add ons, and have a small community, there are forums out there running VB5 without problems

Some.
I doubt that.

Don't forget that 5 is getting better with time, like I've said before 4.x is running smooth at the moment so simply purchase a 5 license, install 4.x then upgrade to 5.x when its also running smoothly and done no worries, no stress*.

*Disclaimer: (WHAT?! lol) If you go crazy installing mods and tons of styles then yes when you upgrade to 5.x, if those said mods and styles do not have 5.x versions available they will not carry over and will need to be updated which may cost you money to have done although at this point in time the number of free and paid third-party modifications available for 5.x is not comparable to that of 4.x so there could be issues "carrying over" 4.x to 5.x mods regardless therefor running vBulletin 4.x for quite a while might be your best option at this point in time.

I would even go so far as to say, install 3.8.x which is also downloadable when you buy your vB5 license.:) (Correct me if I am wrong.)

I agree with englishtalk that a software prized $250 should be fully developed. Of course any new software has bugs. But in VB5 we don't talk about bugs, some parts are missing.

When customers visit vbulletin.com they get the impression of a sophisticated and robust software. But that's not true. There is no hint saying "wait a moment, we're in beta."

"Engaging social functionality"? Posting to facebook is not implemented till today. That is very disappointing. But the most disappointing thing is that nobody is able to fix a date when a missing feature will be production ready. Maybe we will see this feature next week. But maybe not until next year. Information policy is unacceptable. Therefore, a professional project planning is not possible at the moment with vb5.

Let me say one thing more. I really believe that vb5 has a brilliant api extension system. But what I would expect is a documentation for my developers. But there is no useful api documentation at all. Even some open source products have a much better documentation than vb5. Sorry to say this, but at the moment I'm very disappointed and although we have spent $250 we're looking for an alternative.

rhodes

Ohh you're free to install and run 3.x or 4.x or 5.x under the 5.x license so yeah either or ;).

You got vb3,vb4 and vb5 for that price (actually I think thats quite cheap). I and many others purchased 3 and 4 separately.

To be honest you get sick to death of reading threads and posts about vb5.You have new members who come to vborg and the first posts are a slanging match about vb5.

Yes,we all know what stage vb5 is at and unfortunately due to ignorance of people not reviewing the facts before purchase this is what happens.

I'm not disagreeing with what people are saying,in fact I totally agree vb5 was released to early.But saying that it works as a forum and thats what it was built to do.

No point keep going on about vb5 and what your all going to do about it.Just simply use vb3 or 4 wait until your happy with the standard of vb5 and then switch.

Thanks for that but the only way to experience vb5 is to use it for a while and then there's no going back if you're unhappy with it.

So as a webmaster you don't use a test board? Just basics buddy,you never take anything to a live site without testing..And that goes for everything.

In the beginning, I didn't get this, when vB 5 even said on the purchase page that it was a Beta. But we got the disgruntled "unfinished product" threads anyway. And now that this kind of thread can be found here, on vB.com and on every website devoted to being a forum admin, I still don't get it. Who's buying vB 5 now with blinders on? As I said before, I don't even buy a .99 cent app without first reading the reviews. It's not like you can't Google it. Again, who's to blame for buying software that doesn't work? If it doesn't work, then it can't be to hard to find out first. You don't just go by the spiel on the website's home page. Crazy Larry thinks his deals are great, too.

But... More people don't know what "Beta" means, than do. It just flies over the head of most people.

Yeah, but if you don't know what it means, then would you not ask?

It does work,and I bet anyone in this thread to go out there in www land and find a script that even matches vb5 nevermind surpass it.

You'll never see anything like vb5 created anywhere..Xenforo and likes will never attempt something like vb5,they don't have the money nor the backing.

The biggest problem is new customers will go for vb5 and don't understand vb to start with,it's like the person who created this thread.Where is he/she now..Probably using vb4 and learning that.

vb5 works and works well as is stands as a forum script but really should be on your test board..

It's really a shame. Boards I'm a member of switched brands and the I like what I see. Was looking forward to VB5 for my board but what a disappointment. I'm currently upgrading to 4.2.2 but may move to XenForo soon. Once a board has moved on they never return to vBulletin.