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Martini-man 12-27-2010 10:47 AM
Inline mod disappeared
 
Hey people

I just realized that the inline options for moderators disappeared. This occurred after updating the forum to v4.1 I think.

Already tried to disable all products and plugins and it still doesn't appear.

Any thoughts on this?

Lynne 12-27-2010 04:04 PM
Create a new style with no parent:
  • Styles & Templates > Style Manager > Add New Style
  • Parent Style: No Parent Style
  • Title: Default vBulletin
  • Allow User Selection: Yes
  • Save
Then browse the site using that totally default vbulletin style - do you still have the same problem?

Martini-man 12-27-2010 05:53 PM
No good. It still doesn't appear.

Did it disappeared with v4.1?

Lynne 12-27-2010 06:09 PM
Nope, it is still on my 4.1.0 test forum.

Try disabling your modifications/plugins and see if you still have this problem.
Note: To temporarily disable the plugin system, edit includes/config.php and add this line right under <?php

PHP Code:
define('DISABLE_HOOKS', true); 
and view it with the default style. Also, I assume your mods have permission to move threads or close them or any of the other options that they would do with the inline moderation.

Digital Jedi 12-27-2010 07:50 PM
Did you check to see if it was still turned on?

Admin CP » vBulletin Options » Forum Listings Display Options » Show Moderator Column

Martini-man 12-28-2010 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Jedi (Post 2139753)
Did you check to see if it was still turned on?

Admin CP ? vBulletin Options ? Forum Listings Display Options ? Show Moderator Column
It's turned on :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynne (Post 2139715)
Nope, it is still on my 4.1.0 test forum.

Try disabling your modifications/plugins and see if you still have this problem.
Note: To temporarily disable the plugin system, edit includes/config.php and add this line right under <?php

PHP Code:
define('DISABLE_HOOKS', true); 
and view it with the default style. Also, I assume your mods have permission to move threads or close them or any of the other options that they would do with the inline moderation.
Isn't that the same as disabling all plugins and products? I don't have access to the config.php and my boss is kind of away right now... :/

Lynne 12-28-2010 03:06 PM
What method did you use to disable all the plugins & products if you didn't use the config.php file?

Martini-man 12-28-2010 03:12 PM
I disabled on the ACP by hand.

Lynne 12-28-2010 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140180)
I disabled on the ACP by hand.
So you went to both the Manage Product page and disabled all the products and then you went to the Plugin Manager page and disabled all the plugins? You need to do both if you aren't going to do this via the config.php file.

Martini-man 12-28-2010 04:40 PM
I did both, and still nothing :/

Maybe it's template related?

Lynne 12-28-2010 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140221)
I did both, and still nothing :/

Maybe it's template related?
Not if you are using a default style. If you are using a default style, then it shouldn't be template related.

If you have ticket support, I'd suggest putting in a support ticket.

Martini-man 12-28-2010 09:25 PM
Well, I'm using a default style with template modifications... I know we should have a "test" style, but my boss it's the kind of guy who thinks prevention is only useful for avoiding babies :P

Zachery 12-28-2010 09:36 PM
Are these users moderators (assigned to a forum), or are they super moderators assigned to a group with the super moderator permission?

Digital Jedi 12-28-2010 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140350)
Well, I'm using a default style with template modifications... I know we should have a "test" style, but my boss it's the kind of guy who thinks prevention is only useful for avoiding babies :P
If you created a new style like Lynne suggested in post 2, then it won't have any template modifications on that style. Are you saying that you skipped that suggestion because you already use a default theme? Just making sure.

Martini-man 12-29-2010 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zachery (Post 2140355)
Are these users moderators (assigned to a forum), or are they super moderators assigned to a group with the super moderator permission?
All that. Even I, an administrator, don't see the inline. Nobody does... We loved it, we NEED IT :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Jedi (Post 2140382)
If you created a new style like Lynne suggested in post 2, then it won't have any template modifications on that style. Are you saying that you skipped that suggestion because you already use a default theme? Just making sure.
Well, I did created it, but, strangest thing, the ONE style on my forum it's called Default Style...

I created a new one, called "test" and it remained quite alike the previous one... Like the templates modifications...


I'm going to guess here... Say, do normal people keep the default style... default? I do hope so... I'm so trying to find more arguments to bash my boss right now (he's a pain in all bones)


Well, I changed the name of the two styles, and I don't see any difference between them, so I'll venture and say I was right above...

So, it's probably template related then...

Is there a quick way of finding which one? Or should I go jump of a bridge or something?

PS: I should also add that the inline appears inside the threads. It doesn't appear however, outside, where the threads are listed. You know, that option which allowed us to select ALL the threads in that page? I'm talking about that inline... And please don't kill me for saying this a little late :X

Digital Jedi 12-29-2010 02:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140427)
All that. Even I, an administrator, don't see the inline. Nobody does... We loved it, we NEED IT :(



Well, I did created it, but, strangest thing, the ONE style on my forum it's called Default Style...

I created a new one, called "test" and it remained quite alike the previous one... Like the templates modifications...


I'm going to guess here... Say, do normal people keep the default style... default? I do hope so... I'm so trying to find more arguments to bash my boss right now (he's a pain in all bones)


Well, I changed the name of the two styles, and I don't see any difference between them, so I'll venture and say I was right above...

So, it's probably template related then...

Is there a quick way of finding which one? Or should I go jump of a bridge or something?

PS: I should also add that the inline appears inside the threads. It doesn't appear however, outside, where the threads are listed. You know, that option which allowed us to select ALL the threads in that page? I'm talking about that inline... And please don't kill me for saying this a little late :X
If you create a new style with No Parent, as Lynee instructed, then the name of the style isn't going to matter. The name is just that, a name. It doesn't have any bearing on what we're trying to do here. When you create a new style with No Parent, that creates the default vBulletin style. It's what comes with vBulletin, so it has NO template edits (the images or plugins your running don't count). So if you browse your forum using this newly created style, and you still don't see the moderator column, then you can rule out it being an issue with the templates.

Martini-man 12-29-2010 02:12 PM
I did that, but the templates were still changed, so I thought it didn't worked...

So, this means that there's an actual problem with the forum?

Digital Jedi 12-29-2010 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140736)
I did that, but the templates were still changed, so I thought it didn't worked...

So, this means that there's an actual problem with the forum?
When you say the templates were still changed, what specifically are you referring to? What looks changed to you? Because there's not really any way for that to happen with a new style with no parent.

Martini-man 12-29-2010 02:59 PM
Some changes were still in effect, like layout, links and such. So I presumed that the templates were not the default ones. In the template editor I did confirm it, many were red, as in altered templates.

Lynne 12-29-2010 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140777)
Some changes were still in effect, like layout, links and such. So I presumed that the templates were not the default ones. In the template editor I did confirm it, many were red, as in altered templates.
If you created a new style with no parent, then none of the templates should be red.

Digital Jedi 12-29-2010 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2140777)
Some changes were still in effect, like layout, links and such. So I presumed that the templates were not the default ones. In the template editor I did confirm it, many were red, as in altered templates.
They can't be red if just created with no parent. Even modifications that use templates will revert to their default unedited status.

So just to confirm, you went to Admin CP ? Styles & Templates ? Style Manager ? [Add New Style] and created a new style with No Parent Style? And your new style has edited templates?

Martini-man 12-30-2010 11:18 PM
So, out of my paranoia, I went and installed another vB. In this vB, I loaded a backup of the settings and guess what? The inline wasn't there. But in the default settings, it is!

What in the settings could disable the inline? I've looked over them, but all I tried didn't worked..

Digital Jedi 12-31-2010 01:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martini-man (Post 2141583)
So, out of my paranoia, I went and installed another vB. In this vB, I loaded a backup of the settings and guess what? The inline wasn't there. But in the default settings, it is!
I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.

Lynne 12-31-2010 03:01 AM
You have given your mods permission to move threads or delete threads and such, right? And, you actually added them as mods of a forum and that is the forum you are looking at, right? Cuz if you look at a forum they aren't a mod in, then you won't see any inline moderation checkboxes.

Martini-man 12-31-2010 11:27 AM
Digital Jedi, I installed a brand new vB. The inline mod was there as expected. Then, I uploaded the settings configurations and it disappeared. After that, I tested a little and confirmed that something in the settings is disabling the inline, but I can't figure what.

Lynne, it's a brand new forum, there are no mods assigned. The only account is the admin and it doesn't has a forum.

Thanks for the help so far.

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Well, after A LOT of trial and error, I found what it was...

ACP, Settings, Style & Language Settings, Use 'vBMenu' DHTML Popup Menus?

It has to be "Yes" for Inline to appear...

Thank you very much for your help, I couldn't have done it without you guys.

Happy new year!


Now if you'll excuse, I'll just go hang myself or something

Lynne 12-31-2010 06:08 PM
Please don't hang yourself!

Weird that that option was the problem. If I turn it off on my forum, I still see the inline moderation boxes. :/

Digital Jedi 12-31-2010 07:27 PM
Must be plugin, I would think. Something tweaking the HTML code right around that area. You shouldn't need DHTML menus on to access the moderation panel.

Martini-man 01-01-2011 06:07 PM
The hang part was a joke Lynne, but I appreciate your concern for my well being :P

The moderation options were all there, except the inline dropdown button. I also tried it on the new vB I had just installed and even without any modifications, just by turning the DHTML off the Inline disappeared.

Also found it weird, but hey, it happens.


Glad we could learn something from this experience. Happy new year people :)

Zachery 01-03-2011 07:23 PM
DHTML is required for inline moderation, had you mentioned that sooner we could have said something ;)


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