Where do find Vbulletin coders / developers ?
 

Hi.
We have lot of customization work and new development work for our various site(s).
Where can we find vbulletin coders / developers ?
I have already made few paid requests, but got only a few responses.

If someone can guide me to right direction will be of great help.

Thank You.

On vBulletin.org the only place for paid work is in the Paid Requests forum.

There might be other website, some not vBulletin specific, where you can post such requests.

Might try searching on Google as well.
There are several freelance since that are swarming with programmers looking for work.

I happen to need some paid help too regarding my vB forum, having serious issues with it. I do need a very good coder who has experience with vBulletin to help me out. Any help pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks!

I recommend posting on the Paid Request forums as well - but be as descriptive and serious as possible. The more details you write about the job being offered, the higher your chances of attracting one of the good developers.

Everytime I post on the paid request forum I either get NO replies or someone replies who ends up wasting my time by making promises and never coming through with anything. It seems like the only "programmers" who read that forum are people looking to make 10 bucks installing a mod or upgrading some n00bs forum.

actually, the real coders like me are trying to avoid 10 bucks "big money" contracts that are usually spoiled by a guy who steal our work or simply vanish without paying. Guys with competences are the ones that do not advertise their ability to do any 10 bucks contracts, because they have a reputation to keep...

most of the time, when you have no answer for your paid requests, it is because you do not show your budget and real details of your request. ... showing a serious budget is not only a way to tease scammers, but also to show the real coders that you are serious and you know the value of the work to be done...

i've seen so many times paid job at 10$ when there was 50 hours of work to be done... people just want to spare some cash, but they do not know what is involved...

Amen. Exactly the same here.

Maybe you could try vbhackers

I thought that site died a long time ago.

vbhacker.com died... vbhackers.com is reviving from time to time...

Couldnt Agree more , i had some people approach me to design and code a vB template for 100$ ...... its sad .. some kids just want to get Call of duty.... they are killing the market , but.. well , their work wouldn't be that which you would expect from a reputable designer/coder..

reputable is a good name when we talk about you, X... :)

at least for your new jawbreaking design!

lol

Ditto that :)

haha thanks , well .. we need to climb up in order to get such reputation , well that design was a monster to tackle , but im sure you like it.

I will not post a budget in the open forum. If the coder is serious and they want a job they will contact me.

I know most of my jobs that I do post on here are for full complete mods that will cost anywhere from $200.00 to $1,000.00. What I have learned though is if I put a budget up to $1000 everyone will bid at or right around $1000 whether it is worth it or not.

I have worked with coders all over the world and many different websites. I can read some PHP so I understnad what goes into it most of the time. I can tell the serious coder by their bid on my project and I don't mind paying a little extra to have the project done, right and ON TIME.

The problem I have is finding quality vb coders, the last guy that I hired miss his deadlines by over a month when he said it was going to take 5 days. He never finished the complete project. Just did enough to get the site looking like we wanted it but the functions were not done. I offered to pay more if it was a issue with the money, I waited for over a month and never heard from him again, but hey he got paid.

Get it together people this is a out cry for help from quality buyers looking for serious coders.

Goodluck to both sides.

You got that right.... ;) , your post is right on my vision :D ..

From the looks of it your website is all about hiring a designer. I need a programmer...

Developers are programmers .. hence Designers & Developers ....

actually most people will mix coders and designers because most designers have to "code html", but in the coding community we see things different -- i was facing that exact term problem in the last days...

HTML isn't really considered a coding language these days since grade school kids can do it... We reviewed it for like a half hour is all when I went to school for Computer Science... LOL

Also most programmers aren't really great designers, and most designers are great programmers.
Sometimes you'll find a person that can do both really well, but generally in my experience, one or the other will be the strong skill.

Yes I kind of agree with LocoM , hes got a point , im not a great Developers ( programmer ) but i can do some php ,html javas, just not that great at it , i consider myself more of a designer.. but we all have our strong skills , so its great when the two combine to create awesome websites

i'm a horrible designer, i hate design, i can't imagine a good look for sites... but if you need someone to put your design into html/php to show it on a webpage, please, do not ask a designer... most of them does not even know CSS exists. they use Golive/Dreamweaver to design their site based on their image, and that always give crap.

the web is more and more precise in requests and protocols, more complexe in compliances... someone have to do the design, someone the html, someone the php... if only one person do it, verify the references, the other results, the portfolio, and more important, check what you have in hands afterward... a lot of guys will do quick jobs to be paid without checking if the site is seo or compliant, because most clients does not care, they want eye-candy stuff...

I put the fact I'm a vbulletin.org Coder/Designer on my resume.

well I just seen the vb and they r runing very well I think !

Not sure why anyone agreed with you. Your post didn't make much sense in relation to what I said. How hard is it to answer a paid request and state what you can do and how much you can do it for? People don't answer because the only people reading the paid request forum are the programmers who answer the 10 bucks threads and do minor jobs for n00bs, or at least that's the way it seems.

Where do you find the REAL php programmers who do vbulletin work? Because it's obviously not here and I'm not the only person complaining about it.

you can't understand why everybody agree with me because you're on the other side of the fence... sure my post is non-sense to you, because you live life on your own way, you are have a narrowed point of view... one our side, coders/developers, we have the possibility to see a lot of other views that you as a client never think of, because you do not need to - and it's ok, don't mind me, i just say you don't need to, that does not mean you are stupid.

real programmers for vBulletin?... there are quite a few if you search on google... the only reason why you see no real sense of serious business regarding it is that vBulletin is one of the only commercial product on the internet to not have a commercial directory of coders ... we have no right to advertise, the company refuse strictly to advertise any third party coder/developer, and the company refuse to let their coders do any external work outside the shell...

so the client has to handle search and tests about any coder they would hire, on their own... how pathetic, but that's life... clients could say they can choose another software, some of them do, as you can see by visiting invisionpower's community... -- which has a commercial directory of developers btw...

No you're wrong. I completely understand the point you're trying to make but your comment had ZERO to do with my post that you were quoting. You basically went off on a tangent in regards to a loosely related subject but ultimately completely missed my point.

Which goes back to my original comment that there is a lack of them here. The rest of your post is another tangent. You seem to be complaining about vBulletin and how they handle the mod community and I'm sure many would agree with you, including me, but go start another thread to complain about that. This topic was about a) where to find vbulletin coders for contract work and b) A general complaint about the coders on this forum wasting the clients time and the only "programmers" who use the paid request section being n00bs who can only handle simple low-pay jobs for other n00bs who can't install mods.

hmmm - In my estimation the original question/concern has been answered.
You asked, "Where can we find vbulletin coders / developers ?"

Marco said, "On vBulletin.org the only place for paid work is in the Paid Requests forum. There might be other website, some not vBulletin specific, where you can post such requests."

Brandon went on to suggest, "Might try searching on Google... There are several freelance since that are swarming with programmers looking for work."

And Nexia explained one reasoning of why you'd received only a few responses to your paid requests. And he explained quite succinctly imo.

Makes for an interesting read if you ask me...

But as far as filing a "complaint about coders on this forum wasting the clients time..." That's the nature of any business proposition = You seek a consultant to take the job - and during that process you might spend time talking/chatting with several possible candidates. Obviously - Not all of them will be able to handle your request. But you've got to seek before you can find. And it's not a waste of time but simply the nature of finding the correct freelancer for your project.

Such a complaint truly has no merit, nowhere to go here at vB.org, as their policy is law (as Nexia noted) and it's quite imperfect. I'd imagine there are no plans in the works to change said policy LOL

Jacquii.

time lost discussing and finding the right coder?

i actually lost 9 days with a client because he want a style that fits his need but he has no idea what his style can be, and he think a coder is the guy who has the imagination to create a branding for a site, with a penny as salary...

so yes, clients may loose a day or two for searching... guys on the other end may also loose a load of time with narrow-minded clients...

edit: i'm not pointing at my client right now... rofl... even if it looks that way... lol

Learn to read please.

I have no idea what exactly you are referring to - but I promise that I will attempt to enhance my reading ability only if you promise to stop being a condescending piece of whatever it is that you think you are. :)

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Try putting 20 days into a redesign concept following the clients request to the letter only to be told that they've found someone else to "code the design after school" for 30% the price originally agreed upon...

It's a tough world - narrow-minded does not even begin to describe. How about a 10 Commandments of vB Freelance...

#1 ==> Thou shalt not nickle and dime thy freelancer, for all time and talent has value. http://jpicforum.info/images/smilies/Extra2/bigbug.gif

where' the dang thanks button when you need one... lol

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that reaction is the exact reason why coders, designers and developers stopped answering paid requests here... they stopped being taken for morons...

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oh, btw, once you posted a discussion on the web, it does not belong to you anymore... stop acting like you control this discussion, thanks.

I saw a statement made by James , about only ones replying to post were those who want to make a quick buck... hence vbenhancer response .... as to "Why" you get those types of people.

The question was answered , we expanded on the topic.. this is how things work .. you cant expect any topic to follow 100% with the tittle or w.e , expect to have opinions etc...

Want to read condescending? Read vbenhancer's posts, particularly post #28.

I do admit that I have a pet peeve with getting irritated towards people who I feel lack reading comprehension and should pay more attention towards what they're replying to but I'm not the one who got disrespectful in the first place.

I don't mind an expansion of the topic. What I had a problem with was someone whose incredibly bitter towards vBulletin going off on a tangent and trying to talk down to me when he was answering something that I never even stated. If he has a problem with how vBulletin treats coders then that's another subject for a different thread, if he's going to whine here then fine but don't direct the whines towards me.

This is what I said: "It seems like the only 'programmers' who read that forum are people looking to make 10 bucks installing a mod or upgrading some n00bs forum."

This is what he said in reply to that: "actually, the real coders like me are trying to avoid 10 bucks "big money" contracts that are usually spoiled by a guy who steal our work or simply vanish without paying. Guys with competences are the ones that do not advertise their ability to do any 10 bucks contracts, because they have a reputation to keep..."

What he said doesn't make any sense in relation to what I was saying. Nowhere in my statement do I say anything about wanting to pay someone $10 for a job. :rolleyes:

I would be very surprised if a legitimate, possible, request with sufficient detail was given in the paid requests forum that it would be hard to get a good coder... When I made my request a few months ago I was very specific with what I wanted and exactly what I wanted it to do with an MS Paint sketch up of what it should basically look like. Within 2 days I had 4 offers randing from affordable to several hundred dollars, all with past happy clients willing to recommend them.

For most coders this isn't going to make them "rich"- the money is OK but it's rarely worth putting up with a client who doesn't know what they want, have no clue the work involved in making something, or otherwise is so out of touch with coding reality it hurts. You don't want to disappoint someone, but if after 90% of the work is done they come along and want to make what they think is a minor change it becomes a very touchy situation... Even when helping people for free I look out for people who I think can't appreciate the work going into something... They are more of a pain to work with then it's worth and sadly they probably don't even know it.

Your own words...

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=245414

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, I like you and really appreciate you for releasing that mod because coincidentally it leads into my argument I was making in this thread. Twice I actually hired someone to make a mod similar to that for me and both times ended up with them wasting my time. The funny thing was everybody was acting like it was super-complicated but it turned out to be just a couple file edits on one page. I've even went and modified it myself to add some extra things to customize it to my needs. It's as simple of a mod as you can get yet it took you two years and me and others numerous tries as well to get it made...

Plan it out ahead of time. Ask them exactly what they want. Decide on a price and tell them exactly what you can do for them and approximately how long it will take. Explain beforehand that you can't change the specs once things are decided upon and work is underway, at least not without increasing how much he'll be charged. Other than the normal issues that comes in any business relationship I really don't see the problem. I agree that it can be a touchy situation but that's the kind of thing you have to deal with in business. If you don't feel comfortable handling custom jobs for individual customers then another option is to create stock scripts and re-sell them at a set price.

Most professional coders do quite well, it's a growing industry. I don't run websites as a hobby, this is a business for me and I've been doing it for many years. Its been my experience that most skilled coders are either working on their own projects, have a small amount of large clients they work for, or they use their programming skills in a typical "9-5" and don't have much time/need for freelance work. These coders who are broke hanging out on message boards are usually the one's who are too lazy and unmotivated to send a simple PM to someone looking to hire them. Or they take jobs and don't come through on it, disappear, flake on the client, etc. Yeah there are tons of annoying potential clients out there, especially when they think they own you just because you agree to work for them, but there is lots of money to be made and tons of people waving around cash with no-one to give it to.

That was because I was requesting that mod in "unpaid requests" for years... I never considered paying for that mod. I'm sorry to hear even paid coders couldn't get it done for you.

I've since found a large off-topic forum that uses a similar mod, actually lets people choose which forums to include in a "Master Forum" with a very easy to use interface. I'm sure it was a custom designed mod.

James,

I suggest browsing trough the modifications forum and seeking out coders who have created modifications similar to what you are seeking. Review their work, coding quality and support. Then direct those coders to your paid request. This has worked for me to some extent. I still got some low quality coders, but also found some good coders that I am happy with.
Expect to get burned a few times.

I hope that helps.