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tipoboy 08-20-2009 08:55 PM

today, i'm appauled to be scottish megrahi released on compasionate grounds!
 
The man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing has flown out of Britain after being freed from prison to die at home in Libya.

Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, who has terminal cancer, left Glasgow airport in a chartered jet bound for Tripoli.

He had been driven from HMP Greenock in a police convoy after being released on compassionate grounds by Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill.

Megrahi was serving a life sentence for murdering 270 people when a Pan Am plane was brought down over the Scottish town in 1988.

But in a move which caused outrage in the United States, Mr MacAskill said Megrahi would now be released early from prison because of his worsening medical condition.

He said Megrahi "now faces justice from a higher power ... he is going to die".

Megrahi left Greenock prison with a police escort and was flown home to Libya, where he will rejoin his family.

In the build-up to his decision, Mr MacAskill came under intense US pressure to keep Megrahi behind bars. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it would be "absolutely wrong" to release Megrahi, and American relatives have been fiercely critical of the reported plans.

In a lengthy statement, Mr MacAskill said Megrahi had shown no compassion to his victims, but added: "That alone is not a reason for us to deny compassion to him and his family in his final days."

The decision will be debated in the Scottish Parliament, which has been recalled to sit on Monday.

lasto 08-21-2009 09:59 AM

And let me say im annoyed by this as well.
He should of served out his full sentence and rotted in jail.
So many lives losts and yet they are easily forgotten.
Who cares if this man has cancer and is dying - he was`nt dying when he took part in blowing up the plane was he ?

This is just another notch for how soft britain is becoming.

Shelley_c 08-22-2009 12:01 PM

Hopefully the cancer has spread. Nursing two of my friends with terminal cancer I know first hand how bad it gets. Fingers crossed he goes through as much pain (which I no doudbt he will) and watch him wither away to nothing.

Personally, the conditions of his release should have been a 24 hour cam feed untill the day he dies. :D

Let's hope when he goes it's a long and painfull process. :rolleyes:

*waits to be quoted*

tipoboy 08-22-2009 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1872099)
Hopefully the cancer has spread. Nursing two of my friends with terminal cancer I know first hand how bad it gets. Fingers crossed he goes through as much pain (which I no doudbt he will) and watch him wither away to nothing.

Personally, the conditions of his release should have been a 24 hour cam feed untill the day he dies. :D

Let's hope when he goes it's a long and painfull process. :rolleyes:

*waits to be quoted*

quoted you are, and agreed with!

Acers 08-22-2009 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1872099)
Hopefully the cancer has spread. Nursing two of my friends with terminal cancer I know first hand how bad it gets. Fingers crossed he goes through as much pain (which I no doudbt he will) and watch him wither away to nothing.

Personally, the conditions of his release should have been a 24 hour cam feed untill the day he dies. :D

Let's hope when he goes it's a long and painfull process. :rolleyes:

*waits to be quoted*

If we are to do all that the terrorists do then there is hardly any difference between them and us.

Compassion is probably the only thing that separates the general good people in the world from those who preach and practice terror.

Shelley_c 08-22-2009 01:15 PM

I'm all for showing compassion, for people who richly deserve that privilege. It's a little like respect, You earn it, not give it freely to anyone that holds a <strong>insert here</strong> or people that just wiped out 270 plus lives. :)

*screenshots page*

Acers 08-22-2009 01:41 PM

There are plenty of people who think that the verdict was a miscarriage of justice(the grounds that allowed for his second appeal)

Considering there is some doubt about his conviction, and that the man is anyway heading for a painful and traumatic death, its but fair that he be granted his last wish. If he did what he did, he won't enjoy his last days. If he didn't, atleast he got something to cheer about.

Gio~Logist 08-22-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acers (Post 1872122)
If we are to do all that the terrorists do then there is hardly any difference between them and us.

Compassion is probably the only thing that separates the general good people in the world from those who preach and practice terror.

If compassion means releasing a guy responsible of 270 murders, then it must be an every day sign of gratitude to release the guy who just killed his 4 neighbors, or maybe the one who went crazy one day and shot up the school. Hell, i'm sure they all have something wrong with them.

I'm with Shelley on the live feed. And maybe him handcuffed and tied down as a 6 year old takes some batting practice on his head with a plastic bat. Slow and painful :p

lasto 08-23-2009 02:46 PM

the thing with compassion is - our enemies see it as a weakness.
Do you think they have compassion for us ?
If i was America i would sever all ties with Britiain in disgust over this.
We cant blame Scotland for this either as the average person never had a say on this - it was all done behind closed doors,where only those at the top had a say.
We should bring those who let him go free to Justice as a great crime here has been commited.This man was released really quick compared to other prisoners who have legit grounds for being free.

Lets see if he still alive in 3 months shall we !

Dean C 08-24-2009 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acers (Post 1872122)
If we are to do all that the terrorists do then there is hardly any difference between them and us.

Compassion is probably the only thing that separates the general good people in the world from those who preach and practice terror.

I agree :) It's amazing how vehemently people feel about this one. What ever happened to respecting other peoples opinions :rolleyes:

lasto 08-24-2009 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean C (Post 1873154)
I agree :) It's amazing how vehemently people feel about this one. What ever happened to respecting other peoples opinions :rolleyes:

what ever happened to respecting other peoples right to Life ??

It amazes me how people always forget the victims......................

Dean C 08-24-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1873180)
what ever happened to respecting other peoples right to Life ??

It amazes me how people always forget the victims......................

Some of the relatives of those who died in the disaster believe the man is innocent. I'm fairly sure they won't have forgotten about the victims. Some of the relatives who believe he is guilty have also voiced their support for his release on compassionate grounds.

I believe that we should show some humanity to people in their final days. That doesn't mean I condone what he may or may not have done either.

The one thing I do find disgusting is regardless of whether he committed the crime or not, I don't like how he was greeted back home as some kind of hero or martyr.

Oyobiia 08-24-2009 11:14 PM

If only he could die 270 times... each one more painfull.

lasto 08-25-2009 07:30 AM

He was found guilty by a court of law - so regardless if he was guilty or not then his lawyers should of provided proof he is innocent.
Scotland sold out and released him in a back hand deal.Is it any wonder the americans are fuming over this - a lot of the passengers where American.

Now lets get on to this compassion lark -

What about all the other prisoners who are serving long sentences - maybe we should release all them

Would you be happy to release Ian Huntley on compassionate grounds if he was supposed to be dying ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders

While we released a man on compassionate grounds the rest of the world is laughing at how weak we really are.

Dean C 08-25-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1873900)
He was found guilty by a court of law - so regardless if he was guilty or not then his lawyers should of provided proof he is innocent.
Scotland sold out and released him in a back hand deal.Is it any wonder the americans are fuming over this - a lot of the passengers where American.

Now lets get on to this compassion lark -

What about all the other prisoners who are serving long sentences - maybe we should release all them

Would you be happy to release Ian Huntley on compassionate grounds if he was supposed to be dying ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders

While we released a man on compassionate grounds the rest of the world is laughing at how weak we really are.

Remember these people, are terminally ill and on their last legs. You could see in the photos of Megrahi that he was frail and just being paraded around in Libya for a PR exercise.

This wasn't a back-handed deal. Let me quote:

Quote:

An application for such a release must be made and must be supported by the Prison authorites together with well documented medical evidence. The crucial point(s) are that medical opinion is that the prognosis is that the prisoner will die within three months and that no amount of paliative care will prevent this.

Since 2000 there have been 30 applications in Scotland for compassionate release. Of these, 7 were refused because the cases did not not meet the necessary criteria. The nature of the offence committed is not part of the criteria
This is Scottish law, and applies to all prisoners. Ian Huntley wouldn't even come into the equation so your argument is irrelevant. But let's play devil's advocate for a second. If he were to fall under Scottish law then of course he should be let out in his final days to die with his family. No matter what inexcusable, despicable crimes these people do, I believe we should be the better humans by showing compassion to people in their final days.

Vinyljunky 08-25-2009 11:38 AM

Should Ronnie Biggs have been release?

lasto 08-25-2009 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinyljunky (Post 1874003)
Should Ronnie Biggs have been release?

would a country celebrate and treat him like a hero if he was ???

Vinyljunky 08-25-2009 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1874010)
would a country celebrate and treat him like a hero if he was ???

That shouldnt alter the decision :(

I dont think Biggs should have been released as he showed no remorse :down:

lasto 08-25-2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinyljunky (Post 1874082)
That shouldnt alter the decision :(

I dont think Biggs should have been released as he showed no remorse :down:

You dont thinks biggs should of been released because he showed no remorse - yet you think megrahi should be released even though he killed a lot of people ?
Did he show remorse if so why because he claims he is innocent of all charges ??
Every killer or criminal who gets caught shows remorse at some time or another - but there crying is not for the victims - its for the fact they have been caught.

Biggs stole goverment money thats why his sentenece was high as we all know the goverment protects their money so they can pocket it themselfs.

So every killer just has to show remorse and say sorry for what they have done and they can be released is that what you are saying ???

Acers 08-25-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Did he show remorse if so why because he claims he is innocent of all charges ??
Every killer or criminal who gets caught shows remorse at some time or another - but there crying is not for the victims - its for the fact they have been caught.
In this case, there were some grounds for doubt. Remember a second appeal was granted to the guy after much looking into the facts of his conviction and the case. It would be terrible blot on us if this guy (even if there is 0.1% chance) was actually innocent and he died a painful death. (

However, showing remorse can't be any criteria for release. If a man is going to die and a rather painful death at that, that's punishment enough for him. I don't think there can be any worse sentence knowing your end is 2 months off and your pain will only increase as you approach it.

Vinyljunky 08-27-2009 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1874090)
You dont thinks biggs should of been released because he showed no remorse - yet you think megrahi should be released even though he killed a lot of people ?

I dont think megrahi should have been released ;) I was asking if it was right to release biggs?

In my opinion neither of them should have been released.


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