Sarkozy: Burkha is not welcome in France!
 

The Title Says it all, But are the French Right or Wrong for making a Law like this?

French President Sarkozy has risked the wrath of Muslims by backing demands for the burkha to be banned.

He declared that the full-body religious gown is a sign of the 'debasement' of women.
'In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity,' he said to extended applause in Versailles, at a joint session of France's two houses of parliament.

'The burkha is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement. It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic.'

The president was supporting a weekend call by dozens of French politicians for a parliamentary commission to study whether the burkha, which is growing in popularity in France, should be banned.

He laid out his support for a ban even before the panel has been approved - braving critics who fear the issue could stigmatise Muslims in France.

I guess many would argue, that if you go and live in a differnt country you need to abide by their laws, and that Countries shouldn't change just because a differnt religion has appeared.

What are your feelings about this?? I know that VB.org has a large multicultural membership and it would be nice to hear feedback form all religions.

Don't forget to vote, Its a secret vote so, no one will know who voted for what, I'm hoping we can then be honest with our replies.

In Holland, controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who was banned from entering Britain, tried to introduce a ban, calling the head-dress 'a medieval symbol, a symbol against women'.

But despite Parliament voting in favour, the government was challenged in the courts and it is yet to become law - a sign of the opposition Sarkozy could expect.

The issue is highly divisive even within the French government. The junior minister for human rights, Rama Yade, said she was open to a ban if it is aimed at protecting women forced to wear the burkha.

But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said a ban would only 'create tensions'.

What do you guys think??


Please Keep it clean and respectable ;)

I fully agree with my president. Enough. When we go home, we must be in accordance with their rules, with their religion. French women who go there must wear a veil, a hijab. In France, no veil.I wish that these rules be followed.
But I don't kow if french right or wrong for making this law.

Edit: I assume my comments.

It's the sign of subservience and debasement I don't agree with, therefore this time I'd have to agree with Geert Wilders this symbol against womanhood should be forbidden.

Don't get me wrong here. I can endure some good old fashion role playing, also people should be allowed to wear each and every clothing piece they want, being it religious or not.

To wear the bourkha would forbid the woman to drive a car or to exercise certain professions (servicemen, policemen).
It would be an incompatible discrimination with the French laws

Thanks Cor and Sofia for your views, I guess, in certain islamic countries women wear the burkha and indeed its a sign of religion, and we will always get people from one country move to another, but surely if i was going to move my whole family, as a responsible person i would probably go for a country which was more suited for my family. As a responsible father and adult its my responsability to ensure that the enviroment was suitable.

I would not wish to move to Iran, or somewhere with a very strong Islamic religion, for fear of not fitting in and having to obide by their rules. So as you can problably gather i'm at a lost, for why these groups of religious Muslims would wish to move to a western country that is so against their religion, when there are so many muslim countries that can offer them a safe haven.

Could it be that even libral, moderate muslims, don't like the idea of the burkha and what it represents??

Is this the same religious Muslim sect that the Taliban adopt?? I know full well that under the Taliban, Woman are nothing, they are just classed as 2nd rate objects, not allowed to have a job or role in society. Can it be fair to treat women like this, especially in this day and age??

"Never has man committed evil so willingly as that conducted in the name of religion"

I can't remember where I read that but its so true.

I'm split on this; on one side It is used to demote women to second class citizens. On the other, if it is worn willingly by a woman doing what she believes is the moral thing to do...

I don't think that a ban is the right way to handle it; something more low key promoting the idea that its suppressing womens rights and having the women concerned reconsider their stance on wearing it.

I agree with what you say, but lets say we went to Saudi Arabia and walked down the Street drinking a can of beer, We think its morally right to do, But the saudi's would lock you up, because its against their country's rules.

If a Country has decided that the wearing of a Burkha is to be outlawed, why would individuals attempt to take matters into their own hands and say otherwise?

If your a woman and you went to a deeply muslim country where all women wear Burkhas you'd be expected to at least cover your face with a veil, If you went strolling down to the market in your Bikini, like many do in spain and other hot countries, you'd be stoned to death.

Whilst your in their country you respect their religion, and they must respect others and not expect the law to change in their favor, whats so hard about that? :erm:

So... why not pressure the Muslim countries to be more liberal with their laws? Surely its better to have everyone become more tolerant than justify becoming less tolerant with a tit for tat argument?

People have been trying to add pressure to these countries for years, it don't work, look at iran, some areas in afganistan, and pakistan. To them they live, eat and sleep their strict religion, Most will say its not our concern what religion they practice, but what is our concern is when they bring it to a mainly christian or catholic country and expect everone to change for them? its hardly fair, plus why go to a non muslim contry and risk hatred??

Perhaps a Life of benefits, Free Housing and healthcare?? If thats the case they are not doing it for religious reasons but for personal gain, Again that another example of using religion as an excuse. Am i wrong??

lets stop beating around the bush.
France is its own country and as such is governed by French Law.
Now if france says its going to ban the Burkha then fair dues,as that will be there law,and if u live there then abide by it.If you dont like it then dont go there simple as.
Why all the discussing of it - you wont see any french ladies saying they want to carry on wearing the ` Burkha ` so it makes common sense to ban it.
These same people expect our women to dress up when they go to their countries,yet the same people want different rights when they are in a different country.
Yeah right................ Im with the french on this one.

Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a woman's face and body must be covered in a layer of heavy black cloth. Instead, Muslim women should dress modestly, covering their arms and legs.

Many adult British Muslims cover their heads with a headscarf - and I have no problem with that.

The burkha is an entirely different matter. It is an imported Saudi Arabian tradition, and the growing number of women veiling their faces in Britain is a sign of creeping radicalisation, which is not just regressive, it is oppressive and downright dangerous.

The burkha is an extreme practice. It is never right for a woman to hide behind a veil and shut herself off from people in the community. But it is particularly wrong in Britain, where it is alien to the mainstream culture for someone to walk around wearing a mask.

We must unite against the radical Muslim men who love to control women.

The veil restricts women. It stops them achieving their full potential in all areas of their life, and it stops them communicating. It sends out a clear message: 'I do not want to be part of your society.'

Every time the burkha is debated, Muslim fundamentalists bring out all these women who say: 'It's my choice to wear this.' Perhaps so - but what pressures have been brought to bear on them? The reality, surely, is that a lot of women are not free to choose.

And behind the closed doors of some Muslim houses, countless young women are told to wear the hijab and the veil. These are the girls who are hidden away, they are not allowed to go to university or choose who they marry. In many cases, they are kept down by the threat of violence.

The burkha is the ultimate visual symbol of female oppression. It is the weapon of radical Muslim men who want to see Sharia law on Britain's streets, and would love women to be hidden, unseen and unheard. It is totally out of place in a civilised country.

Precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between the woman who is choosing to wear a burkha and the girl who has been forced to cover herself and live behind a veil.

It is time for ministers and ordinary British Muslims to say, 'Enough is enough'. For the sake of women and children, the Government must ban the wearing of the hijab in school and the burkha in public places.

To do so is not racist, as extremists would have us believe. After all, when you go to Pakistan or Middle Eastern countries, you respect the way they live.

For Muslims who want to live in a Talibanised society, and turn their face against Britain and elsewhere, is this: 'If you don't like living here and don't want to integrate, then what the hell are you doing here? Why don't you just go and live in an Islamic country?'

Thats the reason I believe it should be banned.

Forced modernization with threat of violence is awful. Making women wear veils if awful.

Why not try educating them instead of threatening violence?

I actually voted yes - because I think the premise of empowered woman is a noble one. But then I rethought this - and the first thing that comes to mind is "How the hell can this President Sarkozy or anybody else for that matter tell me what the hell I can or cannot wear?" --- When a government gets in to legislating what type of clothing is acceptible blablabla - It may be time for that government to find better things to do with their citizens resources and for their citizens money.

Jacquii.

For the very same reason Jacquii that the rulers of Saudi Arabia state you cannot drink alcohol, for same reason the Ruler of Pakistan says women need to be covered up, and for the same reason in afganistan the taliban are telling women to dress up as tents and have no function in the real world.

Its like me saying "How the hell can this Saudi Ruler anybody else for that matter tell me what the hell I can or cannot drink in his country"

As you can never prove if a woman "Really" wants to wear one or she's being forced to wear one, the best option is to make it illegal, That way your protecting them all the Fantical muslim who wants to talibanaise the western world will remain in their islamic country and at least those that do end up in france, for the woman it gives here a bit of her freedom back. :rolleyes:

Ah - separate and equally dressed by our oppressive governments. :P

No - I really do understand the conundrum - but when Sarkozy says "thou shalt not wear the burkha ever never ever ever" --- Is that really the solution to correcting the debasement of women?

I certainly understand that societies are made up of laws. When in Rome - sometimes I acted like a Tennesseean and such, yet when in France I will be the native Tennesseean without hesitation and certainly without a burkha... But should that option be completely stripped away, verbatim?

For instance - in highschool - there was a crowd who wore combat boots, another crowd made fun of them and called them Nazis - others called them skinhead wannabes - yet the principal did not ban the boots. I probably would have because combat boots with tight-rolled jeans is a fashion no-no.

Likewise - perhaps I simply want to wear a burkha because I don't like showing my curves in public and having men undress me with their eyes and make lude nuiances and sexual advances and... ARG - I'm dreaming - of course I adore nudity... But yeah....

I suppose - what I'm saying is that - what may work for you - may not necessarily be the same thing that works for the next Joe or Josephine. Again - the concept of stripping away the debasement of woman is quite noble. My good percentage of my poetry is about empowering and being the empowered woman. --- But at the same time - telling me I cannot wear an item of clothing because it may be signify oppression to someone is a bit absurd. And though this argument may be a bit boorish - I will argue it anyway: What's next:
No one can wear the color red because the blue gang thinks it denegrates their ideals? Men can no longer wear shorts or thongs because some women find their hairy legs offensive? Dresses in the rebel flag patter (of the ol' southern US) can no longer exist because a majority of Blacks do not think it represents southern pride?

Perhaps we should all be nude. :)

Jacquii.

I agree of course.

Let assume this issue related to Jews
Do you think Sarkozy can do it :D

Who did this rule doesn't care about Muslims and this bad sign from Sarkozy to Islamic countries . This will effect the relations between France and Islamic countries in the medium term.

But who is the benefit from this rules ?
I do not think Muslims or France we gain anything from this rule except more spite between nations

Lets not miss the point here, We're not going on about jews as this is not what the thread is about, Its about a Soveriegn Country deciding that it will not allow a certain type of Muslim Dress into the Country. Its not about Muslims, France has the Highest Population of Muslims living in France than any other European Country. So you can't say that France dosn't care. Alot of Muslims that have moved their have escaped death from the Taliban in countries like afganistan, and made France their Safe haven. Its only natural that France protects its muslims from These Stricter religious sects.

A lets Remember that only a few percent of Muslim women wear the Burka, So its nothing to do with muslims in General or the religion.

We need to remember that the burkha is is recent idea which originated in Saudi Arabia, We need to remember that the Taliban aslo originated in Saudi Arabia and they did indeed want a strict religion where women were mere items to remain Hidden and Unheard off. Where theres no education, and no contact with the modern world, no books, computers, Teachers and doctors were often beheaded or stoned to death, women were told to cover up and only be seen outside with a burkha in the company of a male relative.

Its also from this stricter type of islamic religion that allows older men to have new brides with no minium ages, its common to have men in their 50's with a bride of 10 years or under.


You only need to read up online the numerous forums of muslim women that have had the courage to speak out

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/...-saudi-arabia/

We need to Remember that the Muslim Faith is a peace loving Religion but there are certain factions that are simply fanatical and don't care who they hurt to get their way, even other muslims.

Lets not get mixed up here with Moderate muslims who wish to wish to simply live amonst us, This is about one country deciding that they do not want a particular faction in their country.

Its horror stories like these from Afganistan thats going to make alot of countries ban the Burkha


Like islamic countries, if you go to france you obide by their laws.

The major reason I voted yes was because it was the nearest checkbox to get to. There were other minor reasons which influenced the decision though.

Although the disagree was directly below it :D

As a woman Shelley what are your views ??

I am a muslim myself and I dont really mind women wearing Burkhas or Hijab. Its their own right to do so and noone should be able to force them to wear something or not wear something. I would disagree with the French President's say on this mainly because a country should not be run on ban basis when its not really a major threat to the country itself. Muslims all over the world are being badly portrayed for the few die hard fanatics of Al Qaeda and Talibans and all other terrorist organizations. France does have a huge population of Muslims and its hard to understand why they would decide on such a BAN all so quick without a detailed discussion with the Muslim Communities around them.

Burkhas are indeed not mandatory for Muslims, its a culture followed by Arabs in the middle east and we should not say a "Burkha" is something disgraceful or something that posseses a threat to us. Its quite frankly an attire to cover up the entire body of a women. Yes, women are shown to be less important by following such a rule of wearing Burkhas all the time. Iran is a lot more strict than other Muslim Countries, they are Shia - another branch of the Muslims which is quite similar to Catholics of the Christians mainly because its more conservative. The Talibans are ruthless murderers and lets not forget that they do not have a stronghold in Afghanistan anymore thanks to the U.S. But quite sadly, Pakistan is getting bombarded with all these Taliban militants.

Muslim women are supposed to wear clothes to cover most of their body parts as the Holy Koran does state it. In my Bangladeshi culture, women do not wear Hijabs or Burkhas, however most of the wives and daugthers Muslim clerics and Imams do wear Burkhas when they are out of the House. Then again, the muslims in France did agree to live and be brought up in France so they should accustom to the culture of France and the rules of the government and the constitution itself.

Thanks so much Tauhid, for that update

And coming from a muslim too, So thanks again ;)

I Disagree

You have to be neutral UKBusinessLive if your are wish to have correct vote
With your pictures and posts , you are pushing the member to vote as what you like and this not fair "Wash brain"

As par of the democratic,Why not let the women to chose what they want

Still I need you to answer for this :

Let assume this issue related to Jews
Do you think Sarkozy can do it

Finally If France has the Highest Population of Muslims then we have to respect them and give them basic right like to wear what they want

My views are my own UK which I won't express in this thread. though. You cannot ask me to express my views on one subject, and then not want to hear them on another subject. It just doesn't work like that UK. I have my reasons, I voted, and that should be good enough for you. :)

Hi Home9000

When i made this thread i was in agreement with the french mainly because we have to "Respect" laws of the country that we decide to live in, Just like we respect the laws of Saudi Arabia and respect their laws on Not drinking Alcohol etc..

So yes i have taken the side of the French, and the reasons why i have posted in my posts, its not brain washing people, its facts, and then members can decide for themsleves, i was hoping that there would of been a bit more of a discussion equally on both sides but i'm not getting it. I posted a Muslim womens forum to show how in certain cases the women are Forced to wear the burkha and even under violence. This is a major step as in France Women are Treated the Same as the Men - Equal.

You cannot have different sections of Society where Some women are in Power, Like France has several women Muslims in Government, and then you get the other end of the scale where women are treated as second rate objects.

So lets have a Great debate and by all means Post with links if need be the facts for your choice. I for one think that All religions can live peacefully together, without the Burkha, Forced Marriages, Honour Killings, and Public Executions.

You mention the Jews again, and in response, Jews, Christians, Buddists, I feel that if any alternative religion were to wear the burkha, it would apply to them, i'm sure. Remember its not an issue with Muslims as we've proved this already its an issue with Women where the burkha and not knowing for sure if they are forced to wear it or do so of their own free will. Thats more the reason that the French have decided to stop women wearing it, to protect women in general.

If you read the muslim womens forum (Link posted earlier) you will see a lot of stories and some are pretty horrific.

But in the end it all boils down to where you want to live and the fact that you "Have" to abide by their Rules. You need to Respect that, and that goes for every country.

home9000 , Jacquii

I am with you and I can understand everything in this topic but the problem is that I can't speak English well.

and you both express my ideas exactly as I wanted to say . I can say that your posts have totally finished and solved this issue . Thanks a lot.

It is unbelievable to control of people and what they should wear or not.

If a baby said that then we may agree with him because he will cry if we not :D

OK lets quote and reply to some comments here :

First:

No , It is not that hard. It is like a C code . Look below:

So, when someone in KSA walked down the Street drinking a can of beer, then he is against his the both : country's rules + his religion rules.

Second

Have you read Holy Quran ?

Who said that. You should give evidences , or readers will never believe

But I have

Allah Sobhanh said:

الأحزاب: 32/33-
You can download an English translation of Holy Quran from this link to make sure :
http://www.islamway.com/SF/quran/

Third

Tauhid's

Are you really Muslim ?

This is basic in Islam even non Muslims know that Hijab is a must.

I think [not sure] you can read Arabic

see this :

http://www.khayma.com/ftat/SH/adelah.HTM

In conclusion, I and all people who can mind will disagree with such rule ..

Sayid

Thanks Sayid,

Thanks for your post, I Respect your Views, but what i can't understand is why there are so many hundred of thousand of muslim Women in western countries not wearing a Hijab, or a Burkha. Does that make them less good at their Religion??

Indeed in Iran with all the latestest demonstrations, you can clearly see women without a Hijab or burkha, and thats quite a strict Muslim Country too ??

Respect to you and thanks again

;)

I've considered this from another angle; thanks to the poster who brought up the jews point. If it were scientology that was mandating this dresswear i'd be all for the ban; Scientology has a history of abusing its followers. In this case its a branch of a main stream religion that is abusing its (female) followers. Considering it from that perspective, the ban is a good step.

You are welcome :)

good question. Of course it does.

By the way. We have to distinguish between Islam and Muslims .

Islam is a religion .

Muslims are people who believe the 5 foundations of Islam .

They believe that there is no God but Allah and prophet Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
They pray 5 times a day
They do fast in 9th month of each year
They give alms
They perform Al-Haj once in life

So, if Muslims women do not wear Hijab, or a Burkha , this will not make them non Muslim .

Prophet Muhammad told Muslims women and warn that lots of problems occur if they don,t wear Hijab . He told them also that the first alluring of Israel before was women.

This is in the macrocosm (this life ).

And in the last day, Muslims who do not obey all Islamic rubrics will get torment of hell.

Not only Hijab, there are many things Muslims should do it and all of these things will help the humanity . They are not random commands

You are free to ask any question

BRB

Wow thanks ;)

You've explained what i wanted to know and a great reply -Thanks

So there are different "levels" in the Muslim religion, The less strict Muslims and the more Stricter Muslims. So the More westernised Mulsims will be the less stricter sect, but still muslims never the less.

I suppose the majority of those that move to a predominately Catholic/Christian Country would be the muslims that wear western clothes and want to have equal rights for men and women.

I would Imagine that the muslims that have moved to western countries have done so because they were persecuted in their homeland for whatever reason.

I'm all for any religion living their life as they should but if they chose to remove themselves from that enviroment, is it fair to expect the host country to make special allowances and provisions for them??

I mean i like to drink in moderation of course, but if i go on holiday to Saudi Arabia, would it be fair of me to expect the Saudi Government to make an exception in my case??

Thanks again and i hope my questions are taken in the gist which they are intended

Thanks buddy ;)

As I said,

Drink is forbidden .It is not easy one like smoking. So, it is against to the Islamic rule which is at the same time , Saudi Arabia's rules .

You may see people who smoke in the street. But drink is never allowed.

you will ask why ?

Because drink in Islam is called "mother of rotters" which means that the human loses his mind temporally and this may lead him to kill others or himself or his children , do fornicate ..etc.

Yes there are people here who abscond drinks . and unfortunately, we listen some soul-destroying histories about their murders and so on..

Thanks for your reading and respecting others' arguments

I am quite stunned to see you doubt that I am a Muslim or not. My name on this forum is Tauhid which also means "Allah is one", what makes you think that I would sign up in a account just to diss my own religion. I can read Arabic, I finished reading the Koran around 3 times during my childhood. However, I do not understand the meaning of Arabic words.

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-Eas...edia/burqa.htm

Read that above article, Burkhas are not mandatory for all Muslims, burkhas are labelled as mandatory in certain countries where the women should wear it once they are outside of their house and close to the public eye. I know this because I was taught in this belief all my life and I am more than sure that the Imams and around 6 Islamic Teachers who taught me all these years are not mistaken.

Lastly, dont take it otherwise but you are showing your lack of knowledge when comparing the Hijab with the Burkha. Hijab is only used to cover the face of a woman whereas Burkhas are used to cover the complete body of the woman. As I said, muslim clerics's family members always wear Burkhas or Hijabs when they are outside of their homes, at least in my country. Why I know Burkhas are not mandatory? Because more than half the Muslim Population around the world (Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Indonesia) all have no mandatory clothing for Muslim Women to wear Hijab/Burkhas. They have their own traditional clothing such as Salwar Kameez and Saree. Burkhas are originated from the Arabic Nations.

Anyways, let wikipedia do all the talking, I quote from the following link:

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

We all can find a lot more about Women in Islam and the dresscodes in the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam

Thanks Tauhid, for your respnse :)

Did you know about the different levels of Muslims??, The reason i'm asking is that i've been watching the problem in Iran lately and for quite a strict country, even with their own religious police, There dosn't seem to be many women wearing Burkha's, Yes a scarf over their head, but with the full face showing.

Even the CNN reporters wear the same out of respect.

But, In the demonstrations held outside the Iranian Embassy in London, You see Iranian Women the dressed the same as Western women.

I guess only a small percentage of the more Stricter sect must make women wear these Burkhas, and as its been stated these originated from from Saudi Arabia, where the woman are no way treated as equal.

Thanks :)

Then you acknowledge that you do not understand Arabic words !

And you have to know that Burkhas and Hijab are translated from Arabic language that you do not understand its words !! :)

So I understand Arabic and sorry about that question. do not misunderstand me .

I mean Islamic definition of Hijab which is covering the whole body

And my advice to you to get your religion rubrics from authoritative sites. Not from that pathetic article

Alright, I dont mean to sound racist at any extent but here is what my analysis on Iran and its westernized citizens is. When the King Shah was at power, Iran was way too modernized and westernized, people use to have fancy clothing and a lavish lifestyle mainly due to the fact that the US was a strong ally for Iran at that time. The business relations between Iran and the US was unimaginable and frankly unbelievable as a result, the strict Muslim clerics in Iran were waiting for a revolution and a sudden outburst upon the Shah's departure from Iran and Imam Khomeini's arrival seemed to be the right thing to happen. Iran came back in track, became the same strict country it is today.

Its compulsory to cover the women with Burkhas/Hijab in Iran, but most of the rebels and protesters and pro-Mousavi citizens are quite westernized. They dont like the strict lifestyle, the isolation from the Western World, they want to be a modern country where there is a freedom of choice and rights. A revolution to overthrow the current Supreme Leader of Iran is in the sight of hapennings mainly because too much frustration and hatred has grown up on the current Persian citizens. We can only wait and see what happens, Iran always had this vibe of the Western Lifestyle as a result many of them oppose to wear Hijab/Burkhas but since its compulsory, they at least need to show that they wear it. In Khomeini's days, it was much more strict and such freedom and such outburst by the Citizens in Iran was not possible, it was way too tough back then.

Persians mainly in US & Canada are a lot more freedom based, they do what they want and they have their own choice of wearing whatever they want. I know many persians here in Toronto and I have seen many girls who wear the Hijab just because they want to and I have seen many who wear more western attires than most Americans/Canadians do.

Hi Tauhid, and thanks for your Reply.

Don't worry buddy your not sounding racist, just giving an honest answer to a question that was asked. I think if people in the world would just sit and talk openly there would not be most of the conflicts, that there are in the world today. ;)

I agree with what you say Tauhid, When the Shah was in Iran, people we're more relaxed and i guess had more freedom, They were still muslims as the shah was as well.

However I remember a more stricter, Harder form of muslims took over during the revolution, with the coming of the Imam Khomeini.

But who wanted that?? was it all the people, did they just decide we want to be governed more stricter??

Now whilst its fine to let a country practice whatever religion it wants, why would these stricter muslims want to go to a western country (Which goes completely against their religion) and expect everyone to change for them?

if they need to leave their country for whater reason, war, famine etc, there are plenty of other muslim countries for them to go to.

Some guy mentioned jews earlier, I can't imagine them moving the whole family to iran, or Saudi Arabia, if they tried what do you think would happen??

Respect to You

**********EDIT*******************

I Just wanted to thank everyone taking part in this debate, We've got some great movements on the polls, and a lot of guys, shedding some light on what most would say is a difficult subject.

So Thanks for that

Gerry

:)

Ok first and foremost, if Iranians did not want the Shah to be ousted and the new regime of Imam Khomeini to begin, then this revolution would not take place. After all, everything is done in each country by the will of the majority people. Iran does follow a strict Islamic Democracy where governing and rules and the constituion is quite strict. They are sexist at times when you can imagine such strict rules imposed only on the women. Many places in Iran, the current President has imposed polygamy as legal as well. The fact is, women are portrayed quite badly in Iran even though 65% of the undergraduate students are women, thus meaning more and more women are more educated. Take Mousavi's wife for instance, people exclaimed her as the next "Michelle Obama", however unlike Mrs. Obama, she has achieved a lot of things in Iran for a woman.

Alright, France was not as strict as it is trying to become at this moment by imposing such laws on Muslim women. If the bill does pass and the burqa is banned permanently, then I am pretty sure France will be internationally portrayed as a danger zone for Muslims all around the world. Burqas are not demeaning but suppose you are a pious Muslim and you refuse to take off the Burqa in front of the public, how do you think you can show yourself up on a job interview, Western Countries will not hire them for any reason. Most women wearing Burqas are either housewives or unemployed or employed only in their own countries, not another western country. Its sort of an isolation from the community itself.

Why do people migrate to better civilized countries? Because of money, security, safety and a peaceful life. They understand the circumstances of such laws being imposed upon at one point of a time. They know a lot of freedom will be lost and some freedom wll be gained upon your migration to a foreign country and knowingly, they migrate to other countries still for the better reasons.

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I am sorry but you clearly lack true content and valid sources of what you are trying to portray. If you are saying wikipedia posseses false information, then you should take it up with them. I know for a fact and I will not allow you to tell the whole world that "Burqas are compulsory for all Muslim Women". Women have the freedom of choice to wear them in all Muslim Countries except few selective Arab countries who require you to wear hijab/burqa at all times while you are outside. I should also point out that a women's awareness of not showing off her beauty to other individuals is totally upon a woman's character. Just wearing a Burqa/Hijab does not indicate the fact you are a devoted Muslim. Its your faith that counts the most no matter what religion you follow.

Tauhid your information is wrong so if you are real Muslim you have to restudy again