More staff leave vB....
 

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Who is next?

Very bad news.... :(

If vbulletin needs some competant coders, theres plenty here on vbulletin.org.

I nominate Farcaster, Lynne and Milad.

Interesting. Very much interesting. Then I'd like to congratulate you. If the matter.

i blame it on the recession :)

It's a bit disturbing to see all these great developers leave jelsoft :(
who is left from the original vBulletin team
seems there are only 2 at this moment

I was looking at 2 new licences soon, I now seriously wonder if it is not time to look at what else is on offer elsewhere.

Sorry but Jelsoft R.I.P :S

They definitely need to post what direction they're taking the software with the current team or new team. Since the vision of the guys leaving is gone, none of us know if its worth it to continue to renew our licenses.

I am not worried. A million dollar company loses and gains members all the time. Maybe temporary, but never fear.

this is just like any other business that I've seen..some get bored and some move on to better things but to be honest it wont be the same.Lets see how long jsoft will last in the future.:rolleyes:

I doubt IB bought Jelsoft to run it into the ground. give them some time before making such conclusions. Granted all the people who developed it have left, but go read the comments that have been made about the direction the software was going while they were there, and now that they're moving on people are still +++++ing that its dying....

I'm curious. I believe Jelsoft is based in the UK. IB is in California.

Have any of the designers/coders from California been let go or are they all from the UK?

i would`nt worrie much about the designers/coders leaving as they can easy be replaced with new staff.
The only thing u have to worry about is the price going up.

Right, just bring in a bunch newbies. That's always better than keeping experienced staff.

Why? I mean, prices go up for about every thing, every year. Just as in the grocery store, you can choose to purchase it, or choose not to.

They do quite frequently - it's called vB 4.0 - and previews and raucous conversations about it are posted all over http://vbulletin.com :)

Jacquii.

There is so many questions on my mind on why they would leave... Salary? I know it will not be discussed :o

It's sad to see so many seasoned vbulletin developers leave jelsoft
we can only hope for the best

Yeah - there are definitely questions: Is IB simply cleaning out the old coders, bringing in new? Is similar situation gonna happen here with vB.org's Staff? Is IB looking for would-be raucous Staff Members like Jacquii? The list goes on and on...

Perhaps some questions will be answered in an official vB announcement once we get closer to the 4.0 version release = who knows...? ((ha - another question.))

Jacquii.

IB is a marketing company, their only purpose is to make money.... take that to the bank!

Price increase? you can count on it!

Great forum? only time will tell with most of the core team gone now, who knows what will happen in the future.

It happens, people leave all the time (not for the reasons they specified though) one staffer leaving and yeah maybe, several, nah something is happening behind the scenes. Maybe work conditions, cut in pay, disagreements, in with the new out with the old, etc etc. It's a shame kier has left though, his experience is unrivaled and what I seen he was a community person.

As for the price increases, this was always expected. IB are out to make money, that's their only goal to give us bloated software and cut down features. Like someone stated, you either purchase it or move on to something else. I'll stick with 3.8 for a couple of more years yet I have no plans to move to 4.0.

It happens all the time, yes, staff move on.

The thing here is that so many are leaving within a matter of weeks.
This, for me, spells internal trouble with a capital T.
Something that those who have left do not wish to discuss out of respect for IB but also perhaps because it will cause an uproar.

That's my conspiracy theory. Only time will tell.

Well, I don't think we can call it a theory. Like I stated in my post, one staff member leaving then sure we can say he's moving on to better working opportunities. The amount of staff leaving, then no way. They haven't stepped down because of what they stated in public. Though being professional about it that's the reason they have given. Hat's off to them for that.

Either way, that's the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. Let's just look forward to another bloated, featureless version because any other reaction and your liable to be hanged. ;)

My concern is that so many are leaving just months prior to a new, major release.

Thats right.

Why so many at once?

Why right before the release vB 4.0?

Damn, there was definitely a power struggle between the coders and the new owners about something and they are walking out to prove a point. If I was a betting man, I'd bet IB will contact them, succumb to their move, give them what they want and it will be business as usual in a few weeks. Kind of like a strike. lol

I hear on staff, there's the potential to implode slightly and then explode. Below is a demonstration of someone on staff captured during the explosion process.

It will all come out in time.... I'm sure the silience is planned and paid for lol

I'm not sure about this, Where i work we've had about 5 guys leave in the past month, and they left to work elsewhere and not because they were made to leave or left as a group for whatever reason.

I can't really comment for the Software industry as mine is more engineer related, But in the software industry, isn't it common for people to leave when they can upgrade their knowledge?? if folk were to stay on at Vbulletin indefinately then there would be no influx of fresh ideas and knowledge, They would only know what they know and no more??

But if they could better their job prospects by moving on to a different enviroment then surely that would be a good mark on their resume.

I guess that in the software industry, you'll find that people come and go more often than any other industry, I mean how many times have you heard that Joe bloggs has been with XXX.com for 35 years until his retirement??? never i guess.

I found out that people come and go for a variety of reasons and maninly this time of year so they can take their summer holidays before starting their new job.

Thats why i don't see anything strange about 4 guys leaving, Good luck to them they served their time well, now lets bring in the fresh ideas :D and look forward to what will happen in the next year or two ;)

Maybe because the majority of .com's only started in the mid 90's lol

ROFLMAO - Seriously UK, you don't actually believe that? Let's hope we see some changes around here also. The continuous stagnation of this site must be drawing the eyes of the IB team here. Totally agree with your remark, bring in the fresh ideas, thus far the current ideas haven't worked so well. Last update was 3 years and counting. :D

To be honest Shelley, if VBulletin had on 5 employees then it would be Panic stations, but i'm sure they have many more, I don't really see a problem with 4 guys leaving and i can't really speculate as to the reasons for it but i'm pretty sure that Vb will replace those guys with people of equal experiance whose fresh ideas will benefit the whole comunity.

I don't see it as a problem. I don't even see it as any type of concern. But the amount of staff leaving at the same time isn't a coincidence, bettering their career opportunities? all at the same time? Nah, I don't buy that announcement, but for professionalism sake you have to respect it and take your hats off to them. In anycase, I belive the changes are needed here rather than there.

But yeah, They'll be replaced easy enough. It's always the case, one steps down there will be someone else there to replace him/her. :)

Absolutely not true. My bosses have that same mindset, and that's why after three years now, everyone else they've hired in my department has either been completely horrible, novice, or inexperienced and it's done nothing but hold us back.

It's actually one of the main reasons why they are only up by 2% over last year right now.

Sure, there are a bunch of people who "know" html / css, but for someone to actually be SKILLED at it to the point where it's any sort of benefit even having them there takes a lot of years of experience. vBulletin couldn't easily replace the designers.. look at how many people horribly alter their templates compared to those who do it well?

Thats True but then theres always the quest for fresh knowledge and experiance, Whilst its super having guys that can do well and code well, theres always people that can bring fresh ideas and new input to a comapny.

Just because 4 people have left and in good light from what i read, i wouldn't place it in the same category as Was princess Di Murdered?, Are there UFO's? and Elvis is alive and well and working In MacDonalds in London?

We can speculate all day long and assume that VB.com will shut down in a matter of weeks, :eek: or we can look ahead and see the improvements that a few new faces will bring.

It don't worry me the slightliest, and i wish the guys well in their seperate ventures. :up:

So 4 top coders left. Anyone know the amount of top coders total? Not a number of all the coders, but if 4 out of 6 top coders left, that may be a problem. If it was 4 out of 30 top coders, then not so much.

"several key Developers" thats who's leaving, I'm sure VB has enough though, not sure of the totals myself;)

maybe they leaving because they cant come up with any decent ideas and are stiffling the development of any further vbs.

The chances of them lacking ideas and leaving due to lack of ideas is 0%. vbulletin isn't the number1 software because of the lack of ideas. Even if this was the case, the team have the community to fall back on and get inspiration from the contributors here (which I'm sure they have already).

Not sure if anyones thought of this but, perhaps they felt a time to move on was right. Nothing to do with the work or anything related?

The end point is VB is the best, thats why we use it and i'm sure the future additions and improvements will do us all justice. :D