Sex-Ed in school?
 

Should our schools be teaching our children about sex or is it the parent's responsibility? Is it a waste of taxpayers money? Should be subject our children to other people's view/teaching of sex?

IMO, no. Should be left to parents.

I see that sex ed so far hasn't done a whole hell of a lot of good?

Heck, kids these days could be teaching the teachers about this subject. LOL

Ok, tawk amoungst yaselfs:)

should be left to sex-teachers, not parents... parents are stupid...

ask a mechanician to teach his daughter what is going on with her first periods... he will say "check the calendar in our toilets, you'll become like this in no long"... ok, not ALL the mechanicians are doing it, but i know a bunch who are.

a lot of narrow-minded parents are teaching moronish sexual behaviors to their kids... why do you think that the g-string is now so popular... parents are unable to understand the real things.

I don't know. I don't want anyone teaching my daughter how to use and do things when it comes to sex. Teaching about the menstral cycle and puberty is one thing but sex is a whole different ballgame.

I'm pretty sure G-strings are mostly do to Hollywoods lovely influence on the morals of the world. Then again, it's up to parents to say no to this stuff both in wearing and viewing. With all the advertising today, most girls already know the scoop about that anyway. We're not in the 50's anymore when everything was hush-hush.

What is a mechanician?

Gabby

but they are not... it's up to the parents to teach these things, but they don't, because they are lazy and stuborn... or there would be no "tease my butt, i'll touch your meaty..."

parents have to stop watching hollywood shows if it's hollywood which is teaching the kids how to dress...

sex-teachers in schools have a single target, teach the real things, not just bees and cabbage... they do it uniform across the class, so nobody feel pointed, and nobody can say stupid things to one and not the other... if a kid is teached by his parents with narrow minds, he will say narrow-minded things to others who will laugh at him... if everybody learn the same thing the same way, nobody will ever have to insult or laugh at others, because everybody knows the base of things the same way.

i don't say they have to teach the kamasutra, but basic things... human behavior is based on sexual behavior too... so if nobody teach anything to nobody, we're stuck

you both 2 will end up being 'Best Friends' :D

Yes they should be taught

Wrong :(
if we had been taught, we can teach... if we don't know then we may need help...
but it's a vicious cycle...

p.s. do I have to list all the possibilities/combinations?

Really?

Between 1991 and 2002, teen pregnancy rates dropped 28% due to sex education courses.

Teen abortion rates dropped 50% from their peak in 1988.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/09/12/USTPstats.pdf

We now have Sarah Palin's 18 year old daughter going on the news circuit saying that Abstinence does not work. This is a program advocated by her parents and taught in her home and yet she became pregnant as a teen. She isn't advocating that teens give up sex because she feels that it is unrealistic. She is advocating that they put off pregnancy by doing things smart and educated. Kids need to be educated about this. Not every teen has a stay at home parent that they can talk to about these things. Many parents work long hours and multiple jobs. Its worse in poorer areas where teen pregnancy rates are higher. Education and allowing these kids to make the proper decisions is the only way.

History has shown that parents do not teach this properly. There are no parenting classes or licenses and this is one thing that people don't like talking about. Sex and Drugs are often glossed over by parents because they might get embarrassed talking about it. Until all parents start taking the future of their children seriously and talk about these things openly and often then it needs to be taught somewhere and that place is school.

If you're teaching your children about these things than that is good. You have a head start. You won't have to worry about them learning anything new in school and they are protected. They will have an open enough relationship to ask you to help with Birth Control when the time comes that they feel ready. However there are close to 100 million children in the United States. You can't teach them all and probably less than 10% will learn what they need to know in the home. They can learn in school, they can learn it on free porn sites on the Internet or they will learn it in their neighbor's bed. They will learn it somewhere.

Like Nex said parents are dumb, lazy and scared to talk to their children about this stuff. Also to top it off most parents don't make the time for their kids to have these type of conversions.

Do I think that the teachers should press their views on the children...NO. Do I think that they should be taught responsibility...YES.

They should know their options and the consequences of their actions.

Kids learn most stuff from the media and TV...that is no way to learn anything...

Let's send parents and children back to school... ;)

p.s. Salomonic solution Uh?

Hi Wayne,
That depends on which statistics you look at, especially in whom is reporting them. We can neither rely on the federal government for honest statistics nor any entity in which there is potential gain to control and deseminate these statistics. ie. Drug companies, state health organizations....

Gabby

Where do you get your statistics?

They are all biased. However you can do your own analysis of the data to reach your own conclusions.

blame the parents - they dont give a damn what there kids get upto these days.

I agree they should be taught, but at what age?

Most parents aren't capable of teaching their children about sex. They will avoid it at most costs, and just teach that it's "BAD".. Leaving the kid intrigued as to why it's bad when it's so acceptable in media, movies, your own home, etc.

Some parents can and do teach their children very well, but there are a lot who will not. I am 100% for sex education being in public schools. I think it might need to be taught a little more seriously though. When I had sex ed, it was just a huge joke and several of the kids I knew had already started being sexually active.

I don't know how much younger you can actually get before preventing juveniles from doing it though. You'd think seventh grade would be young enough, but it wasn't for a plethora of fellow students of mine.

Puberty...

At least the consequences and advocating abstinence and pre-emptive birth control. I don't think that 12-13 year olds are ready for sex but you get a biological urge at this age so this is when it should be addressed. This would be a great time to have teen mothers speak about the hassles and trials of having a child while growing up yourself.

Later as the child nears the age of consent then other information should be given. This shouldn't be a one day scare class in the auditorium but something that should be an ongoing part of the child's education. Honestly, I don't care if the parent or the teacher gives the lesson as long as it is given. In reality, teen pregnancy and childbirth should be the least of a child's worries during school but its the least worrisome consequence of having sex unprepared and unprotected. With HIV/Aids, antibiotic resistant STDs, HPV, Spinal Meningitis and other diseases out there that can affect and destroy their lives, they need to know. Some like HPV don't even have visible symptoms until a girl gets cervical cancer so you don't even know if you have it or are spreading it.

My children are 17 and 13. I have been talking about sex and its consequences with them since they were each 12. My autistic stepson is 13 and at that stage as well and while he has the urges there is no real way to teach him about it so we just have to monitor him and teach him basic social mores.

The fact of the matter is, there are kids out there having sex. Teach them how to do it properly, and the risks involved as early as possible IMO.

Education is key to success in anything.

Seriously who wants their kids running around ignorant to the fact? Its a natural human action, and they'll learn about it eventually. Why not let them get information from a professional who can provide facts rather than their information from the internet, movies or TV shows where running around pregnant at 15, dressed in skimpy half clothed out fits is acceptable

@wayne...I agree

This is the type of problem we have in the UK

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/02/55.jpg

A Dad at 13 :eek: No amount of education can prevent ferel families breeding like this, In the UK we have loads of housing estates, where nearly everyone relies on state handouts, Shy of work all they can do is basically go back to nature and breed like rabbits.

In cases like these you'll find that the kids are more educated than the parents, if Parents are meant to set an example then theres something seriously wrong here.

This is what that prat Tony Blair left behind, In 10 - 11 Years he practically destroyed this country, Now he goes galevanting all over the world says what a great guy he is :mad:

With all constraints on behaviour vilified as 'moralising', sex became treated merely as a pleasurable pastime devoid of any spiritual dimension.

As parents careered through serial sexual partnerships, putting their own short-term desires first and effectively behaving like children, they no longer wanted to be bothered with taking responsibility for their own offspring and so started treating them as if they were grown-up.

This was massively reinforced by the approach to sex education and contraception by schools and public health professionals, who treated children as quasi-adults capable of making their own life choices.
What they actually needed, as all children do, was firm and consistent boundaries which taught them that sex was properly an adult activity.

Instead, they were taught to treat sex a bit like bungee-jumping or paragliding - to have fun doing it, but to take precautions to avoid getting hurt.

But 'hurt' was defined almost entirely as teenage pregnancy. Children were told that sexually transmitted diseases could be treated, and there was no acknowledgement of the emotional harm of premature sexual activity.

This You Tube just about sums it up ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0TLu...eature=related

While your argument for your position is painted very pretty Wayne, you are advocating that parents turn over their responsibilities in this area to the state as the state is better at teaching kids than parents. Typical liberal response and dead wrong, imho. I would also argue with your stats to support your position as being skewed...let's look at this issue from a milestone that gives the proper perspective:

Since the Supreme Court banned school prayer in 1963:

• the murder rate tripled;
• Violent crime went up 544%;
• Prior to 1963, divorce had been declining for 15 consecutive years. After 1963, the divorce rate more than doubled;
• unwed birth rates 10-14 years of age shot up 553% by 1983;
• Sexually transmitted disease rates (15-19 years of age range) shot up 226% by 1975;
• the percent of children living in fatherless households increased from 6% to 40%.

Succumbing to "the easy way out, ie; the government knows what's best" is the laziest and most detrimental thing anyone could ever do regardless of what subject we are talking about.

Regardless of any statistic, allowing our children to be tought sex in the classroom amounts to yet even more issues of personal responsibility on the parents part. It's neither the public nor the taxpayers responsibility to make sure YOUR child does not get an STD or pregnant, it is and has always been the parent's ultimate responsibilty. Does parental responsibilty even exist anymore? Good grief. It's always someone elses fault and/or respsonsibilty these days. If my daughter got pregnant as a teen, it would have been her doing and I would have been disappointed in her and myself, as it should be. Let's face it, kids are going to have sex, it makes them feel mature and it's pleasurable, but wouldn't you rather know that if your child is going to do this that they don't learn the facts from a perfect stranger and often times skewed by this stranger's personal opinions?... religion, morality and so forth.

What I did with my daughter was tell her the truth. It's fun but you can die or get pregnant if you're not careful. End of story.

Gabby

P.S. I teased in a not so teasing way only a parent can do and always tell my daughter, " I'm locked and loaded should a boy try." LOL

sorry, but statistics worth nothing... 500% growing rate would mean that if there was 10 victims, there is now 50... the rate is enormous, but the population grown as much in the same time, so it worth nothing...

rates means nothing also when your little population is not part of the statistics... if 5% of the population own 75% of all the statistic elements, any governmental study goes to the trash.

the impact in the life of your child is way more important than what the government think... while you try to teach your kids, do you seriously check the stats to see if your words will mean something in the brain of your kid?!... nope...

@Gabby, you are right... you are the one to teach the right or wrong to your kids... the school is to teach what are the elements, and the parents teach the values of things... that's how it have to work... learning sex matters at school only have to be for the elements... how it is made, what are the consequences. the parent have to take that same opportunity to give their kids the values of such learnings...

Actually I am not advocating anything. I am stating that the majority of parents fail to teach their children about sex and someone has to. If you're a parent and able to step up then good for you. If you can't teach them what they need to know then get the hell out of the way and let someone else do it. Doesn't matter if its sex, drugs, religion, morals, math or history. The only job you have as a parent is to keep your children safe and in today's world this includes a proper education on all counts.

Really can't put it any plainer than that. And I already admitted that statistics can be skewed to any view.. What is the source of your's so I can see the actual numbers to put your summary into perspective?

Yes I understand what you saying Wayne but it's not the government's (schools) responsibility to teach anything but reading, writing and math..... not morals. While the statistics often site inter city urban areas, actually there are just as high pregnany and STD rates among higher educated, wealthy areas in which parental responsibilty is often quite involved, surprisingly these areas are often in liberal parts of the country. How does one explain these rates?

Institutionalizing morals never works.

IMO, nowadays, I'm not sure kids need to be tought by anyone, they just seem to know by watching TV, Movies, playing videos ect. It's everywhere now. :erm:

Gabby

I agree that morals shouldn't be taught in school but if parents aren't doing it then where do you propose that children learn these things? I personally believe that I am responsible for my children's moral actions through my own and it is my responsibility to teach them how to act appropriately. This includes sexual interaction with others. Trust me the school isn't teaching my children anything in this regard because they already know it.

Most children do not get this education at home and I want the people interacting with my children to know at least the basics. I am not going to be able to teach it to someone else's children. So I ask again where are they going to learn it at?

Does watching television teach children how to act in different situations? Does it teach them how to protect themselves? Television can be used to augment education but cannot replace it. An after school special does not have any meaning unless there is discourse to back up the message. If you disagree with them watching it on television then why let them? My daughter leaves the room if there is any scene on television beyond kissing. I don't make her leave. She leaves on her own because she knows she isn't ready for that and she doesn't want to deal with it. Why? Because she knows what sex is and the problems it brings. And this is shows like Degrassi Jr. High. My wife and I do not watch our television shows in front of the children. We wait until they go to bed. Just because its in society doesn't mean we can ignore our responsibility to our children.

you get my vote here... :)

... one day my wife will understand.. lol

So just what shows do you and your wife watch that the children can't. LOL ;) Just kidding ya:)

Criminal Minds, CSI, Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice, The Tudors, Big Love and a few others. They could watch CSI.. Nothing really bad in that show but they aren't interested. Criminal Minds deals to much with the psyche of serial killers though. The television is also set to block anything with a rating above PG-13 or TV-14 without a password. Unfortunately, this blocks some older movies as well. My stepson had to have me unlock the television so he could watch a Cary Grant movie the other day.

My kids would much rather watch Hannah Montana (don't tell their friends) and Wizards of Waverly Place than the shows above though. They also like Stargate, Dirty Jobs, Mythbusters, Sanctuary and Knight Rider.

Sorry if I misunderstood you Wayne. I just think relying on the government for much of anything is a slippery slope, especially public schools...they can't even do what they're supposed to do very well, let alone do the jobs of parents.

Depends on the state.

.11

Yes, sex education in a must !

If the parents are incapable of teaching their children about sex education then I see no harm in the schools stepping in and lending a helping hand. It really depends on the individual whom is teaching the child.

The best thing is to be taught by their friends,it's completely natural and you can be sure that they're not being educated by some conservative idiots.

ok, so, as prostitution and streetgangs are built from friends, you would let your 14 years old daughter be taught by these friends who play in the streets, late at night, with knives and guns?

ghahahaha those two replies are the best hahaha

I teach my school's sex ed program. ;) Or at least I'm one of 14.

Well you expressed the other end of the line (a bit extreme situation) but pretty much yes,call it shock therapy or whatever else but I mean what else can you do?

You can't be too conservative or else they will try to figure out themselves and it will end up in the situation you mentioned.Saying "Sex is bad." is the worst thing to do.

Being to liberal will make them too fine about it and would end up in the same situation.

Staying balanced between those too would be awesome but in the end they will find such friends no matter what you do,so it's the same again.

But they will grow out of that soon.If not,you got a problem.

I mean,we all've been teenagers and we had our ups and downs.We all have been once in a bad "society" but we all grown out of that.

I always thought religion was the easy way out myself.