Anti-Islamist politician Geert Wilders refused entry to Britain
 

what do u make to this - where has freedom of speech gone ?

Seems the British goverment where blackmailed :

The person who is responsible for all this commotion is Lord Ahmed of Rotherham who threatened to demonstrate outside the House of Lords with 10,000 muslims.

bah, another detail the europeans are unable to deal with... their neighbours...

10,000 :erm: I wonder how they have so much time on their hands, Job seekers allowance comes to mind :mad:

I do feel sorry for people like this that they have to feel the urge to demonstrate, can't be easy for them to be living in a non muslim country, I know for a fact the Army are going out to Afganistan on a daily basis, perhaps we could help out with the repatriation. :cool:

Oh i forgot They don't do social security in Afganistan, well thats blown that idea

The UK Government is so corupt nowdays they only listen if you pay in cash :mad:

WOW did i stop this thread from working ???? :erm:

maybe people never understood what actually happened.
When i heard about this i was well angry even though i dont share Geert Wilders views.
We have a goverment that allows itself to be blackmailed and surely this wont be the end of the matter.

The UK does practice freedom of speech within certain guidelines. We don't really have it enshrined in the constitution in the way the USA has, but it's generally regarded (as I understand it) that you can say anything as long as it's not going to incite hatred or violence. There are limits.

Considering how long it took the police to investigate and prosecute Hamza a year or so back, I'm satisfied that the process is sufficiently arduous and checked at every step.

So, if a demonstration turned up, composed of British citizens (no matter their religious affiliation) and protested and the government listened, isn't that actually good for democracy?

Rapscallion

I see where your coming from, The problem with Hamza, was that The Human Rights Act keep on preventing him from being prosecuted much earlier. For those of you that don't know about The Human Rights Act, basically it gives Criminals just as much Rights if not more than their Victim, The Law was bought into the UK By Tony Blair, Not sure if he did it to please his wife, as she is a top Human Rights Lawyer.

The problem with Hamza was that he's wanted for terror charges, A video of his rantings was found with some possessions of one of the muslims that flew the plane into the Twin towers, hamza although and very cleverly didn't do any of the dirty work, He did however urge these people to commit acts of Murder and Torrorisim.

We just need to be extra careful :erm:

Apparently on the roads as well.

Lord Ahmed jailed for causing death by dangerous driving while holding a text conversation.

Back to the original topic, if a counter-protest was organised by atheists and/or agnostics etc to protest that Geert Wilders should be allowed in, would it be listened to in the same way? I have no idea.

Was it actually Lord Death By Vehicle who stopped one person coming in? I'd like to think the UK authorities are more inclined to follow procedure that (literally) peer pressure.

Rapscallion

Your talking about a country that threw people in jail for printing articles that where not favorable towards the king and queen, what do you expect?

When the uncle of Benjamin Franklin (James Franklin) printed that the freedom of speech was a right given by GOD and not the king, he was arrested and put on trial. When the jury agreed that the right to speak was given by GOD and not the king, the judge had the entire jury arrested.

James Franklin was also prohibited from printing certain articles unless it was approved by the Secretary of the Province.

http://www.archive.org/stream/benjam...niala_djvu.txt

Benjamin Franklin was also arrested, but was released because he was printing what his master (his uncle) told him to print.

Not much has changed in the last 250 years.

To be honest, The laws of 250 years ago cannot be compared to the laws now. At that point in history, that was the law, and if it was broken then people got punished, end of story.

What we need to look at VERY carefully, both in Europe and America is how laws are being created in favor of the criminals, especially since they use Human Rights Act to protect themselves.

In the UK over the past couple of days, Defence secretary John Hutton has apologised to MPs because British forces in Iraq handed over to the Americans two terror suspects, who were then transferred to Afghanistan for interrogation.

Why? The Americans are our principal allies and the senior partners in the coalition.

In World War II, would we have apologised for transferring two Nazis captured in France to the custody of General Patton?

Of course not. What's the problem with their being interrogated in Afghanistan?

No one seems to mind British firms outsourcing work to call centres in India. I fail to understand why people of a certain mindset bend over themselves to swallow every last allegation of abuse by jihadists dedicated to our destruction.

They accept without question any 'innocent' explanation of what these people were doing when they were picked up on the battlefield - from attending weddings to taking computer courses.

Yet they are convinced that our allies and our own security services are always lying.
They can't wait for Binman Mohamed to start telling lurid tales about how he was tortured. His sister Zuhra says: 'He's thin, but he's sharp. He knows what he's talking about.' Too right, he does. Islamist terrorists are as skilled in propaganda as they are in explosives.

They know that our own 'bien pensant' selfloathing and gullibility are potent weapons to be turned against us - as lethal as using our 'asylum' laws to infiltrate our society and hijacking our airliners and flying them into tower blocks.

There's a war on, not a teddy bears' picnic. These people are our sworn enemies, not hapless victims.

Yet while ministers salve their consciences by hanging out to dry our soldiers and secret agents, they hide behind Cabinet secrecy laws to cover their own culpability.

Hutton was one of those who voted for the invasion of Iraq. He can't start trying to wash his hands of the consequences now. At least these two captured in Iraq were sent to Afghanistan, not Camp Gitmo.

Otherwise, by now they'd have been flown to Britain, where they'd immediately be welcomed as heroes by the human rites brigade, showered with legal aid and welfare benefits and would be preparing to take their place on the chat show sofa alongside Binman Mohamed.

This is the real Problem :eek:

It's too bad there aren't more like you in your country (and mine) UKBL...political correctness is bringing about the end of western civilization.

Don't forget to toss religon in there to!

The media is also the problem because they can distort all stories to how they want them to look.

I think we need to have the balls to stand up to these fanatics and preachers of hate, instead of wrapping them up in cotton wool and giving them every penny of benefit available, In the UK, The government says it cost between ?11,000 and ?15,000 to deport these fanatics home :eek: But yet you can get a one way ticket with a budget airline for ?49.00 so how on earth do they arrive at that overly inflated figure, Just another excuse for not deporting wanted terrorist.

Hamza is wanted in Jordan on Terror charges and yet we keep him here, so far his legal big has reached ?1.5 million and it keeps rising, all because of his human rights :mad:

This will be the end of the free world as we know it, unless we scrap this pathetic act, bought in by that idiot of a prime minister Tony Blair. His wife is a leading Human Rights lawyer, I guess she's keeping busy.

Since when has freedom of speech been a right? It certainly isn't in the UK. You can't say what you want, nor does society want people to say what they want. Can you imagine if we had loads of right-wing fanatics spouting out racist comments, paedophiles talking about children and murderers talking about their next victims?

Freedom of speech is a myth, as ultimately you are not free to say things that are morally wrong. And what is morally wrong, is defined in the law. This Mr. Wilders is a racist, and being racist is illegal in the UK. Why would we want to let him in :)?

Mind you, I think it's hypocritical considering other people we do let in the country, but that's another story.

To be "really" honest, the British government has a history of suppressing peoples right to speak.

Regardless if the laws are 250 years or today, the British government has not, and does not support the peoples right to speak.

In The UK we don't Have freedom of speech, Your right there Dean, But that dosn't stop the fanatics ranting outside the Mosques (Thats because decent muslims don't want them inside!) "Death to the infidels", After a few hours ranting, they go home to their benefits and Free house provided by the state.

Not sure what they aim to achieve by this, Its because we let them do it, can't see all these fanatic's going to russia to rant in St Peters Square???

Especially coming to Londow which has a high Jewish Population, what make them do this?? Free Handouts, Free accomodation, Healthcare, weekly benefits?? yep thats more like it, Money and wordly goods before reglion, theres your proof, otherwise they would be in an islamic country, where they would be "A no body"

Its the minority that are affecting decent Muslims, and giving the Muslim faith a bad name, The UK is a Multi Cultral Country, we can all live together side by side but what does make matters worst is that these fanatics come over here, escaping prosecution in their own islamic country and spout vile rants about killing westerners, Thats whats effecting decent muslims liking in the UK, Its not fair on them or anyone else.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush, its only the select few that are creating problems, they need to be dealt with asap and not fluffed about.

Thats what happens when you get a spineless goverment, no ones got the bottle to do anything anymore :eek:

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I agree, In the UK you say the wrong thing its a massive fine and a criminal record, Now they give you a criminal record for putting the wrong kind of rubbish in the bin, The UK has the worlds largest amounts of CCTV cameras and they estimate that an average day in the UK you'll get picked up on at least 60 Cameras.

Mind you the criminals seem to be getting off lightly and the decent folk are being criminalised, wheres the justice in that??

Big Brother State.

The alternative is, sadly, to clamp down on them. The problem then is that the young and stupid would consider them to be a martyr and thus desireable to be affiliated with.

Humans - generally speaking, we're a very stupid species.

Rapscallion