Makes me sad to be british :-(
 

The UK is rapidly becoming a big brother state, eyes are upon everyone and now we are penalised for such stupid and trival things, Today i read in the papers a story which i just had to share with you, to make you see whats happened to this once great country.

The so called "Do Gooders" are turning the country upsidedown with their crackpot ideas and rules, Take a read of this and you'll know why i'm angry :mad:

Don't forget to take a vote guys :)

Become a robot and don't give a crap about the patient...

This whole world sucks.

I voted yes because I hate religion in all it's formats. However I'll refrain from posting what I really want to say about this little episode because that's the way this country is going.

I will say though, joining the EU was britains biggest mistake before long there won't be any britains in britain. I would object the nurse saying a prayer for me but I wouldn't report her for it.

I agree with that also...and overly religious people scare me haha

But I think this women was generally just trying to be nice...and maybe just care for her patient.

I agree Kev, But its getting worse, We've become 2nd class citizens, or thats how we're looked upon, The UK is the worlds leader for crackpot rules and new laws, Did you know, that after the 9/11 plane crash, the UK brought in tough new anti terror laws, The local councils are using these laws to spy on people putting the wrong type of waste paper in the wrong bin, and if caught you get a Criminal Record and a ?400 Fine.

Nice to see the Anti Terror Laws being used effectively in the UK, So sad :(

Pretty much the same as here...but I think most people are just to lazy to up hold the laws :p

I agree with you Shelley, I'm not religious, But if someone want to say a prayer for me its cool, I won't be offened by it in fact i'll see it as a compliment that someone actually wants to go out of their way for me :rolleyes:

Exactly. Thats kinda the way I see it. Religious people still scare me though :p

I believe that also, Like I said, Her beliefs are hers and she is the kind of person that would help anyone out whether it's in prayer or other means. Quite frankly, the nhs and local dr surgeries needs more people like her. It's a shame that some people are willing to do so much but can't on the offchance they are offending (which is really the agenda here) some other persons (higher up the food chains) religious beliefs.

It's beyond getting angry over, it's been happening for years and the signs of this were present long before then.

Don't worry Buddy, I'll say a prayer for you tonight :D:D:D

I wouldn't be offended by it, I just wouldn't warrant anyone saying a prayer for me. But the nurses dismissal is wrong no matter how you look at it or how the people decided the outcome display it to the public.

You know who's more annoying than religious nut cases? Anti-religious nut cases. This is saying a lot, as I have met and know of quite a few nutsos (look where I'm from)

There's almost no such thing as being a good samaritan anymore. I called the police a few times on a woman in my office who continuously parked in the handicapped zone, and I got lectured about it by my boss because she felt the need to +++++ about it to him.

That's a very small example, but it's something that makes me feel if I do a good deed to others, I in return get punished.

That being said, if I were religious, I don't think I would ever ask someone that question. Religion to me is something that should be a very personal matter, and nobodies business but your own.

hahah ...live and let die...

Ah Shelley, you are the 1 :mad:
I'm against it, but if the praying came as a good intention doesn't matter...
so legally doesn't have a ground for suspension

p.s. thought you were sad of being a Briton because of the teeth :D

Dude, yes, dude!
The nurse did what she thought was the fittest thing to do in such a situation...
Why should she be punished by that?

If i can recall, the American Dollar is printed with "In God we trust."
So, the state does find God as real.
So, it's not like it's some cult or something, it's simply what a christian would do.

I'm not going to blame you for being an atheist (if you are), but it simply doesn't sound right to punish someone for doing something that almost everybody else believes in, right?

I'm sure she goes to the dentist :confused:

Always look after your teeth and feet and you'll never go wrong.

Back on-topic. Don't people read anymore. Josh/magnumtz The nurse got a raw deal, I myself would not want a prayer read out to me and/or for me.

Read what I wrote. :p

Suppose the woman was dying and she said a prayer for her,would she still be suspended ?
Its called having compassion for another human being. - Something a lot of people dont have these days.

I hate BRITAIN - even more by the day.

Offtopic : You tried getting a dentist these days.You have to go to walk in clinic if u have toothache.How sad is that.Sign of the times.

Ditto. I'd rather have a nurse that actually feels compassion for her patients.

If she wants to believe in all that hocum, fine. She's not forcing it on me and I don't care what she does in her free time.

I agree.

I'm not religious these days... but when ever someone offers to "pray for me" or similar offers I realize they are religious and that's thier way of offering support and should be accepted as a generosity.

I'm a Christian and most religious people scare me.

Actually this is really prevalent in the US. As a 25 year veteran of the U.S. medical system, I've see caregivers offer prayer thousands of times. I've see them do prayers without permission as well.

Personally, I find it incredibly offensive for any healthcare provider to bring their religion into the hospital or medical office. They can pray silently or when the PATIENT asked but that's about it.

As far as punishment... If the patient didn't ask for it, then the caregiver should not offer and should be held accountable if they do. The last thing a sick patient needs is more stress having to tell a clinician no thanks. This then creates an awkward patient-clinician relationship.

Additionally, look at the legality of this as well. It's about the "what ifs". What if a patient rebuffed an offer of prayer of an overly religious clinician? Would that clinician treat the patient differently after this? If a patient declines a clinician offer of prayer/insight then anything negative that happens to the patient a second after this confrontation can be taken as retaliation. It really puts the facility in a VERY vulnerable situaton for litigation AND puts the clinician in a position of having to defend themselves from criminal wrong-doing, charges.

I have also seen religious clincians treat outwardly religious patients much better than thier other patients. I've seen this many many times. It's disgusting.

Let me say again that from many years experienced with this, I was offended EVERY time a clinician did this to a patient without the patient asking.

I'm so sick of religious people have this superior attitude and trying to convert every person they see. In my personal experience, some of the worst people I know are the overly religious people, in the hospital and out.

Gabby

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Kevin you're not in medicine are you? LOL ;)

seems she was warned before being suspended for offering prayers... if you are warned then you should know if you keep doing it may be bad... but being offended by someone who offered to pray for you... anyway I wasn't there to see the whole picture

Ok, but would it offend you if she did?
That's insane...

Oh and if you'd go to the dentist here, you would pray for everything to go smooth too.
I know, i would.

No, It wouldn't offend me. If she asked to say I prayer for me I would ask her not to. If she prayed for my well being without asking me, well, I don't know what I would say. Probably nothing, firstly because I wouldn't want her to loose her job on the off chance another colleague would hear about this. Secondly, because her intentions were good in the first place.

There's nothing insane about what I wrote. Unless your calling me insane to which I'll probably agree with you.

To me, prayer offerings (no mater what religion, from a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc) is the greatest form of sincerity and kindness. I dont think anyone should be punished for offering one. If you dont believe, what harm is it doing to you?

IS there some valid phobia to prayer that I'm not aware of? LOL

Odd :rolleyes: I'm not even close to religious and I'm as missionary on the Brazilian jungle :D

but for me a pray equals a 'Good morning'+'Bonjour'+'Bom Dia'

haha you too? Maybe we should start our own denomination then? It works for everyone else. haha

If I was a religious nurse and I offered to pray for someone but they said don't. I'd pray anyway, but I'd pray for them to die :D Just kidding.

What I'm really hating about Britain at the moment is the way alot of things are blown way out of proportion. It won't be long before everyone is afraid to do anything if this continues.

The nurse is getting a raw deal and I really hope that her supervisor gets some help learning/developing on how to deal with people. Because if anybody is out of line it's her. This situation could of been dealt with so easily.
On the same side of the coin...I'm glad to see there are still people out there that believe in more than just what's in their wallets or the missile protecting their borders.

Hmmm...

If one were to define my spiritual path as a religion it would be this weird mix of Native American, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Norse and Shinto philosophies. Though I was raised Christian so that probably has some bearing in there as well. I mean those prophets were very wise men.

Anyway, if someone offered to pray for me than more power to them. Prayer is universal no matter what faith you have. It is a personification of hope and that is what allows people to get through desparate situations. Even Atheists have prayer. They may not pray to a deity but they manifest their hope and dreams in order to provide a better life for themselves. It may be something mundane as "I hope I win the Lottery" or "I can beat this cancer" but they are still prayers. Are they listened to by supernatural beings? We pray that they are but there is no proof. We have to take it on the faith of our beliefs that they are. So when someone asks if they can pray for me, I say sure. I don't care what their beliefs are because they are instilling hope in the universe and that can't be a bad thing.

Again, wheres the thanks button when you need it. LOL

Amen!

I would not want her to say a prayer to me. But I would not be bothered if she did. Neither would I go report her.

That's really sad.

You all need to a little research who the worlds REAL puppet masters are. They wreak havoc on our countries, currently the US, Britain, and Germany are taking the hardest beating from these parasites... until we expel them, just like throughout history...... Think about it!

Not too happy being in America either. Becoming a 3rd world joke fast.

Dont get me started on britain i live in this nanny state and IMO labour has ruined it, time for the BNP, and i never ever thought i'd say that!

Its always they way. about 1 % of people have to make life hell for people.

I am not religious but seriously who cares. If someone wanted to try and offer me a prayer then goodo.

The craziest part is, she wasn't saying a prayer for them, she was offering.

Saying a prayer for them without their permission, that may be something to object to.
Offering a prayer, it's an offer, nothing is actually done or performed unless they want it.

If we go with this rule, as diversity, we should respect the diversity of patients who don't like to speak, and not speak to a patient unless spoken to first, or.... I could come up with some more creative stuff, but I'll leave that to you.

This is why I've left the western world and come to Asia, things are so much simpler here.

Might take you up on that Mattyasia ;)

Religion has gone crazy in the UK, Not the actual Religion itself but the way people veiw different Religions.

Only last week, The South Yorkshire Police Dressed 3 women Police Officers in Burkhas for the Day, and let them loose on the streets, Just to show them what its like :confused::confused:

Nice to see that the our police force in a time of rising crime, muggings and general discontent have managed to fine the time and resourse to take 3 Police officers away from mainstream policing and parade them is this shabby publicity stunt.

According to Sheffield's police magazine: 'The exercise is just one of many activities South Yorkshire Police has planned with communities and ethnic minority leaders to secure strong relationships, celebrate diversity and encourage integration.'

Leave aside the fact that most reasonable people think the burqa has no place on the streets of Britain, being an oppressive symbol of political and religious fundamentalism.

This patronising stunt is the clearest evidence yet that some sections of the police force have gone stark, staring bonkers.

Those responsible say they want to put themselves 'in the shoes' of members of the community.

How about putting themselves in the shoes of despairing taxpayers, plagued by burglary, street crime and anti- social behaviour and abandoned to their fate by the police.

Or members of the motoring community nicked for doing a few miles an hour over the limit on a deserted road.


Religion is not wrong in itself, but in the way the "do gooders" seem to want to try and portray it for the rest of us.

Give us a break, and stick to your day job ;)

Well said :up:

I think political correctnes has gone way too far as well :mad: Im disabled and some people are too nervous to speak to me in fear of saying the wrong thing :confused: