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GSeybold 01-27-2009 08:41 PM

Homeschooling? Have you? Pros? Cons?
 
Thoughts about Homeschooling?

If I had to do it all over again, I would homeschool my children. I did it for a year when my family was abroad and I should have continued. I'm getting really sick and tired of the government telling me what my children should learn and be exposed to. I'm also tired of my children being exposed to some extreme opinions of teachers. I just found out that my daughter's chemistry teacher is a major pot head and came to work high all the time. Lovely eh? School certainly has changed since I was child.

Thoughts?

Shelley_c 01-27-2009 09:12 PM

Funny how this thread was created, I think the problem lies with teachers, they seem to have a zero tolerance towards pupils these days. I can oly go by example only today (although it's been ongoing) is a specific teacher (some Australian +++++) constantly picks on my younger brother (11 years old) seems to hold a grudge. anyway. Because my brother has heart related problems with additional problems with his kidneys he constantly needs to go to the toilet. Each and everytime he asks this +++++ says no resulting in him peeing his pants. I took a visit to the school and the teacher always walks out and tries to talk down parents in front of everyone which she tried today (normally it would be my mum picking him up) but today I was furious with what my brother told me about this teacher so she came out to try and talk various parents down and I told her turn back and walk away (that was the nice version) and replied I'll be seeing you tomorrow (after making an appointment).

Anyway, that was just an example what happened to my brother. But in short, i think the problem lies with the teachers. In short, some of them are bastards and are on the borderline of being cruel. I only wish would have started homeschooling fir my brother, but seeing as he's settled down in school there's little point.

Suffice to say I will be at the school tomorrow with all guns blazing, I've never been so angry in all my life and see some teachers as bullies abusing their powers. :mad:

smacklan 01-27-2009 09:37 PM

My wife and I homeschool my two daughters and have since they the were pre-school age...best decision we ever made :)

lasto 01-27-2009 10:00 PM

Schools aint changed much - they changed a bit,but thats more to do with the times.
Schools have got a lot more softer over the yrs - afraid to upset the student incase they disrupt the class etc.A good smack is what half of these kids need.Would`nt be so lippy then would they - but its not to be,because the do-gooders have stepped in and deemed it a criminal offence to smack a kid,and these kids know that only 2 well,and that is why we are seeing such a rise in teenage violence because they know they are untouchable.
Teaching Kids at home is proberly not a bad idea but it certainly aint going to prepare them for the outside world,as they been sort of protected (mother cuddled if u wanna call it that).

GSeybold 01-28-2009 04:20 AM

Shelley, let me tell you I was pissed reading your post. How very said for your brother. Talk about scarring a kid for life. Oh no sista, I would be kicking some serious ass right there with ya. I'm not a violent person, but that a-hole of a teacher needs his behind kicked. Have you confronted administration on this yet? Also, keep a good record of this, pics and all. Then take it to the US and UK media. Uk's equivilent to the ACLU?

A few things come to mind. First, there is legal precedent here on several levels. Is your brother deemed disabled in any way? If so, this is a major violation, at least here the states it would be. Also, consider the long term mental health issues of this harassment. I would most certainly be getting a lawyer involved. Also my guess is that your little brother is probably on Lasix or other cardiac related meds making elimination almost constant (at least every hour or so) in most adults, so perhaps his cardiologist should write a note/letter to the school? I'll be thinking about you and routing for you on tomorrow. Go kick some serious behind.

Smaklan- Good for you. I wish I would have done this as well.

Lasto, I do agree that parents these days are pretty soft on their children. The argument of not knowing the "world outside" / socialization is a pretty difficult one to make, especially these days, these violent times. My daughter went to school with affluent kids living on the beach. Some of these kids were rotten to the core, very sexually active and a ton of drugs. Some drove Mercedes, BMW ... just totally spoiled loser kids who will never know what a hard day's work is. That is if the don't end of drugged addicted adults. Are these the kids I want my daughter's learning social skills from? No! Then there are those kids that are overly emotional cutters, or EMOs as the kids call them. EMOs are often discussing how bad the world is and how awful people are to them, frequently discussing suicide and often attempted it. Then there are the religious zealots my daughter has been exposed to. Then the teachers, OMG! Some are so fat they can barely walk-what is that teaching a child? Some are drug addicted, some are so mean and nasty that I wonder why they are even teaching, especially children, and some are just plain crazy. In the U.S., for a lot of teachers, education was not even their major. They went to college for something else, couldn't find a job and ended up teaching. That's really prevalent in California. A person has a Bachelors degree Basket Weaving, therefore they are qualified to teach my child? I don't think so. Public schools are so desperate for teachers, they'll hire just about anyone.

Oh and let's not forget teachers sleeping with students. Just lovely. And Columbine, Kentucky, Los Angeles, stabbing, shootings, rapes that happen in public schools and private ones too.

So having said all this.... is this the socializing, "world outside", I want my kids to be exposed to? Nope. All they have to do is turn on the TV and learn all that crap.

All the basics can be taught at home while still integrating the child into things like band and choir at any local or private school, at least here in the U.S they can. Also, a parent can teach the child far more advanced education at home as well because they have the time. All of the stuff we learned as a kid, such as cursive writing is just brushed over and kids aren't getting a good education now.

Imagine how much money the U.S. would save if we did away with public schools and gave the responsibility back to the parents? Heaven forbid there be any parent responsibility these days.




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Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1726522)
Funny how this thread was created, I think the problem lies with teachers, they seem to have. :mad:

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Originally Posted by smacklan (Post 1726543)
My wife and I homeschool my two daughters and have since they the were pre-school age...best decision we ever made :)

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1726566)
Schools aint changed much - they changed a bit,but thats more to do with the times.
Schools have got a lot more softer over the yrs - afraid to upset the student incase they disrupt the class etc.A good smack is what half of these kids need.Would`nt be so lippy then would they - but its not to be,because the do-gooders have stepped in and deemed it a criminal offence to smack a kid,and these kids know that only 2 well,and that is why we are seeing such a rise in teenage violence because they know they are untouchable.
Teaching Kids at home is proberly not a bad idea but it certainly aint going to prepare them for the outside world,as they been sort of protected (mother cuddled if u wanna call it that).


RedeemedWarrior 01-28-2009 04:27 AM

I was homeschooled, I intend to homeschool my kids

lasto 01-28-2009 05:32 AM

I could read and write before i went to school at 4 yrs olds.Pople are leaving school these days unable to read or write.Is this a fault of the school(s) or just the person ?
Myself i believe its down to the person unwilling to learn because u cant tell me that thoughout all of the schools they would of gone to,all of them ignored this person and never taught them anything.

Shelley_c 01-28-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1726896)
I could read and write before i went to school at 4 yrs olds.Pople are leaving school these days unable to read or write.Is this a fault of the school(s) or just the person ?
Myself i believe its down to the person unwilling to learn because u cant tell me that thoughout all of the schools they would of gone to,all of them ignored this person and never taught them anything.

There's so many factors you cannot pinpoint a childs education to one thing or any one personal. not sure why I type personal there when i meant person. Regardless of my typing error, forgot what I was going to say now so I'm agreeing with you lasto.

Magnumutz 01-28-2009 07:22 AM

Depends on the country, county and school.
If i were to send my kids (when i'll have any) to the school that's closest to home... i think i'd do it.
It's a pretty quiet neighborhood and since the new principal took over, even I can see the changes... to good.

Wayne Luke 01-28-2009 12:05 PM

What passes for home schooling here in California are actually charter schools that provide you with books, materials, curriculum and standardized tests. You simply become the teacher instead of sending your student off to class. You still have to take the children to the charter center at least once a week and the charter center grades the children based on their test scores. Now you can elaborate on particular subjects and keep to the basics on others but you still have to follow the state mandated curriculum.

Personally, I would not home school. I have worked from home for most of my children's lives and it would be too disruptive and I wouldn't get anything done. I am far less productive when they are "off-track" than when on. Add to this that I probably don't know certain subjects as well as their dedicated teachers (middle school and higher) such as English, Literature, probably even math. School is taught faster now. By the time kids graduate now they are expected to have a year of trigonometry. Whereas when I was in school, not many took math classes past basic geometry. I was the first graduating class that actually has a calculus class on the High School campus. Not to mention the fact that I probably wouldn't be able to teach my kids the Advanced Placement courses they need to get their first year college courses out of the way before high school graduation. Then there is socialization, extra curricular activities, student government and many other things that are really needed on today's college applications. Sending them to school provides all of this a lot easier.

UKBusinessLive 01-28-2009 02:57 PM

I think i've learnt more from being on the internet in a few years than i did in most of my schooling.

I feel that teachers, especially now days are very far fetched, They think they are god and will not change their attiude.

In 2005 in the UK they found that 15,000 teachers were below standards, and should never of been employed, unless retrained. 2009, How many lost their jobs since 2005 ???
10 !! :eek:

Teaching nowdays has definately got worst, i hear my kids explaining the problems with their teachers, sometimes it makes me mad :mad:

Shelley, Sorry to hear about your brother, but i'm with you 100%, Don't let them get away with it, Makes you mad that teachers that are supposed to set standards can resort to cruelty like this. Report them Shelley, Not to the school, But to your MP and Local Education Authority.

Cruelty like this has to stop NOW :mad:

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1726896)
I could read and write before i went to school at 4 yrs olds.Pople are leaving school these days unable to read or write.Is this a fault of the school(s) or just the person ?
Myself i believe its down to the person unwilling to learn because u cant tell me that thoughout all of the schools they would of gone to,all of them ignored this person and never taught them anything.

Hi Lasto :)

When i went to school, there were about 20 decent hard working kids in a class and at least 1 or 2 of what we used to call the class "Thicko's" Ones that just didn't want to learn, always hold people back and forever getting into trouble, That was what it was like in the late 70's early 80's.

Now

Well now we have the opposite, we have a class of 20 insubordinate kids who only want to leave school and hang about on street corners, whilst theres only a couple that really want to learn, but instead just gets bullied by the feral kids.

What we need to see is some disipline being bought back to schools, Perhaps open up some Military Style Academies here in the UK complete with the punishment that normally goes with it.

The kids that leave school without being able to read and write shows a complete failiure in the education authority's Duty of care towards the pupils. But before we sort out the kids, we need to sort out the useless teachers that should not be teaching in the first place.

let sort it out for our kids sake :up:

eglyntine 01-28-2009 04:31 PM

I was homeschooled from the 4th grade through HS along with my brother and sister. I graduated when I was 16 and went to college part-time from 13 on, initially taking extra-curricular math, science and language courses and then onto full-time college major studies after I graduated HS.

We were the second family to ever "officially" homeschool in the state of Maine and it was definitely a struggle. Constantly fighting the school board and state to prove that homeschooling wasn't a second rate education and to prove we wouldn't be some buck-toothed drooling social reject. What is amazing to me is that in the 25 years that I've been involved with the homeschooling scene the same ridiculous arguments against homeschooling are still being regurgitated even after it has been proven over and over that the kids that are and have been homeschooled have a superior education compared to traditional education and they lead very successful, self-sufficient and confident social lives.

Sorry to go off on my little tangent but I really do get tired of seeing the same misinformed phobias against homeschooling popup time and time again when there is very little actual examples of any homeschooled students falling into those categories. You have just as much chance if not more of one to turn out uneducated and socially inept coming out of public school as you would with homeschooling. Yet it seems that the only time these concerns ever pop up is when a discussion of homeschooling comes around.

Homeschooling has come a very long way since I was homeschooled, now you have co-ops and charter schools and many public schools allow homeschooled kids to participate in their extra-curricular activities right along with their students. There is no reason that the "anti-social" stigma thrown onto homeschooling should ever be brought up yet it's still the number one objection that ppl who know nothing about it or have even met a homeschooled kid brings up anytime the subject surfaces.

It's pretty sad to see that ppl are still more concerned about socializing than they are education. There are a million ways and opportunities to make sure your child has the proper "socialization" in today's world without sending them to public school.

King Justice 01-28-2009 05:15 PM

Well we shouldn't expect them to act any better. After-all, the way they act is suitable for the amount they get paid (little to NOTHING). At least they do their job teaching...anything else is just a bonus I guess with their little-ass paychecks!

smacklan 01-28-2009 07:00 PM

@ eglyntine, well put and bravo for you! Well over 2 million homeschooling families in this country today and growing by leaps and bounds each year says a lot! Public schools, for the most part, are nothing more than government indoctrination centers with little to no social or educational redeeming value. Quite the contrary. I would say it would be very easy to trace the root of most of our society's ills and shortcomings right back to the damage that has been done over the last 40 years and is continuing to be done to our youth through this system! I, for one, will never turn the spiritual, mental and social education of my most precious processions over to some government lackey.

eglyntine 01-29-2009 04:04 PM

I think like the socialization excuse used for so many against homeschooling, the "it's the teachers' fault" excuse is overused as the reason to be against public schooling. There are many many many amazing teachers out there and to blame them for the state of the public school system is completely unfair.

Homeschooling is definitely not for everyone, some ppl excel in that environment while some are better off in the public school system. You have to find what works for you and your kids and go with it but you can't expect that everyone should do what you do just because it worked for you. Just because something has ALWAYS been done a certain way doesn't automatically make it the best and only way to do it for everyone for all eternity. Especially when you are talking about government run organizations that are on the bottom of the priority list. (No matter what some campaigning politician tells us)

The state that I live in is among the top 5 worst education states, there is no way in HELL that I would ever put my boys in the public school system here. It's not just the elementary and HS lvls either, even our University system is ranked among the lowest in the country. The whole education system needs to be re-evaluated and fixed. Although with everyone completely focused on the "economy" these days, educating our children in the public school system is definitely not on the top priority list for those in charge of it. At least with homeschooling I don't have to worry about funding being cut and my children missing out on some part of their needed education because the school doesn't have any money. *LOL*

kevcj 01-29-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1726494)
Thoughts about Homeschooling?

I am neither for or against home schooling. But, I feel that is the parents right to make the best decision for their children.

If a parent wants to send their children to public school, so be it.

If a parent wants to home school, or send their children to a private school, so be it.

I also feel that the private school should get that parents school taxes, not the public school.

Wayne Luke 01-29-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eglyntine (Post 1728246)
The whole education system needs to be re-evaluated and fixed. Although with everyone completely focused on the "economy" these days, educating our children in the public school system is definitely not on the top priority list for those in charge of it.

The current economic stimulus package includes $100 billion specifically earmarked for schools and education. Not only to retain jobs but to build new schools and hire more teachers.

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Originally Posted by kevcj (Post 1728316)
I also feel that the private school should get that parents school taxes, not the public school.

School Vouchers? Will probably never happen as long as the unions behind the schools and teachers are as strong as they are. They wield a lot of power and influence both in lobbying industries as well as marketing and advertising their views. Every teacher belongs because it allows them to get tenured. Once tenured the only way to really lose your job is to be convicted of a felony.

The real problem with the education system is that many see it as a fallback career these days. If they can't get the dream job then they can always teach. Very few people actually set out to be teachers. So we have Drama Majors teaching Math and Science Majors teaching Literature. All that matters is that you have a degree and certification. You don't need to actually be certified in the subject you're teaching.

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As an addendum to what I said above... I am not against home schooling. I literally do not have the time for home schooling. All three of my kids are teenagers and one is special needs. Its either home school or pay the bills. My wife doesn't have the patience or inclination to teach the children. What I can do is augment their general education with activities designed to stir their mind and make them ask why instead of just read out of a book behind a desk.

AWMGolfer 01-29-2009 08:11 PM

I am currently a teacher and have been teaching full time for 2 years along with 3 years of substitute teaching at multiple districts in the US. What I have found is the teachers reflect the attitude of the administrators. If you have administrators that want quality in their schools and set a good example you will find the same as a whole. If you have an administration that is kind of half there and just doesn't seem to pride quality then the staff will reflect that. I work at a small school district and the administrators are top notch and the staff reflects that.

I am not saying there are not horrendous teachers, every profession has them but you also have to keep it in perspective. How many teachers are there and how many are truly horrendous teachers, I am certain there is much more quality then some in this thread seem to think. You also need to remember, the teachers that are there to do the best they can many times has their hands tied by administrators or the state with all the testing and having to pass kids that should not be passing and etc..

Now, would I home school or not, depends where I live. I would assess the local school and make that judgment call. I suggest to take a hard look at the administrators as the school will be a reflection of them. Another thing I find very ridiculous is now parents will believe the word of their kids over a teacher no matter what. I have had to talk to parents after a kid that was mad at me kicking them out of class made up a story or twisted the story to make me look wrong when all I did was throw them out of class due to behavior. The parent believed their kid and cared less what I had to say and it ended up going to the principal to handle which finally ended the issue with the student having to apologize. Most teachers are there to do the best they can for all the kids they have and are not out to screw em! Always exceptions but this is not the rule!!

harmor19 01-30-2009 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Xhaiden (Post 1728421)
Another thing I find very ridiculous is now parents will believe the word of their kids over a teacher no matter what. I have had to talk to parents after a kid that was mad at me kicking them out of class made up a story or twisted the story to make me look wrong when all I did was throw them out of class due to behavior. The parent believed their kid and cared less what I had to say and it ended up going to the principal to handle which finally ended the issue with the student having to apologize. Most teachers are there to do the best they can for all the kids they have and are not out to screw em! Always exceptions but this is not the rule!!

Parents are too easy on their children. I never got a "time out". I got whooped with twigs, bendable race-car tracks, and other stuff.

UncoderMom 01-30-2009 03:32 AM

How about half and half? hehe

This has been on the news a lot lately here as some counties in Florida will be required to comply and provide virtual school programs.

http://www.floridaschoolchoice.org/I...faqs_pilot.asp

I am interested in this for sure! at least in a step before I go all out. LOL

ooh and the state is required to pay for funding too! http://www.k12.com/flva/florida_vip_notification/

lasto 01-30-2009 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by UncoderMom (Post 1728713)
ooh and the state is required to pay for funding too! http://www.k12.com/flva/florida_vip_notification/

And where do u think the state gets its money from - from you lot so u paying anyway.

Magnumutz 01-30-2009 08:36 AM

No offense but you can't expect children to learn via a virtual system even if you make it VERY entertaining for them.

They're not like college students that can understand it's for their own good to learn.
They simply need teachers. Good or bad, they'll build them up pace by pace.
That's how i grew up and think back that i still wasn't paying enough attention in classes, but if i was home schooled, geez i would've turned out bad.
It might not be like that with all kids, but a pretty big part of them. It could be that some of our teachers had THE GIFT of teaching and some simply came to classes for the few money they got.

But there's no thing as good as a public or private school.

smacklan 01-30-2009 11:07 AM

I personally do not want any funding from the government. As soon as I accept that, I give them the right to tell me how to educate my kids...it is a slippery slope. We still have to retain the services of the HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Association) each year at our expense just so we are protected from the government barging in and trying to shut us down or legislate against us (which happens all the time across this country and the biggest offenders of these attacks are the teachers unions!). No offense to all you dedicated and caring teachers out there but your unions need to stay the hell out of things that aren't their business! I agree with what others have said...that it's not for everyone but I will tell you this...that is an excuse for many to not even try ;)

UncoderMom 01-30-2009 11:21 AM

No offense but that virtual school scored better the public school did.... yikes!

The virtual school is NOT a replacement for parent involvement. ITs a powerful aid, if you ask me. My good friend from church has a son that scores in the 90th percentile and she uses a private video taught at home school (the school is some where in north fl).

Never before (other then the no child left behind, for private day school) has the government took responsibility for a childs education (other then harassment like your a freak) and acknowledged that they have a responsibility to provide an alternative (they can only try and deni the success rate of home schooled children for so long, what with the drop out rate soaring to new heights). My kids do AMAZING things and learn SO MUCH just from google... even my 7 yr old can type a search phrase for my little pony wallpaper, download it and install it. She can totally organize her desktop and create file folders with her topic names and organize it all. She can type a web address from TV and then print the page. Why, because I taught her. I think people under estimate the little ones. LOLOL Her teacher struggles all week to teach her something but if I go to the class and sit with her she learns it in minutes??? (dont get me started on her teacher either). My child might be strong willed but shes FAR from hard to control. I told her teacher flat out that my daughter doesn't like her... shes hostel and erratic (to the eyes of a child anyway). I watched her in the class room and she TOTALLY has NO sort of patients and was spewing threats in order to ascertain control instead of engaging their attention. She's not a "bad" person... she just majorly lacks behavioral skills. Children are about the easiest things to manipulate. Shall I upload a handwriting sample of her teacher?? haha Shes had STELLAR teachers and shes had two duds. The public school system here is not dependable and lacks consistency. So many of our schools are failing and/or have a C average. Terrible. Billions of dollars and thats the best they can do?

You change the whole structure and success rate when you think outside the box with children (especially strong willed children) When your in a classroom setting its cookie cutter and whats good for one might not be good for the other in the same order. You need the childs attention and if they're not interested your not going to accomplish much. JMO. When you stick a weeks worth of activities in front of a child and say... you pick, which do you want to do today and see what happens. Its the cookie cutter system that is destroying education. Again, JMO. Children need to be engaged in what they're doing. Learning should be fun and easy, not stressful and discouraging.

Florida school system SUCKS BTW! LOL I'm also tired of secular crap being pushed at my child! It has nothing to do with abc's and 123's. DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED. haha Lets not mention the pressure standardized testing puts on kids that are being drilled with its preparation all year. I NEVER had that crap growing up in school. Our worst fear was a pop quiz. My kids stress about FCAT this and FCAT that. The Fcat is a funding test BTW. Federal funding is based on these FCAT scores. BS! Children should be tested, sure, but greed and money should NOT be driving its motives!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCAT (scroll to the Criticism part).

Can anyone tell I'm fed up? hahahahaha Its a shame that the schools can teach a child (even a failing child) to master the art of putting on a condom but yet the vast majority cant name the presidents of the united states. Priorities are WAY screwed up and to many agendas are screwing up the education system. They try and be moral police and what happens? The pregnancy rate goes UP not down. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!


And Shelley, that teacher should be locked in a room and force to consume 2 gallons of water and not let up until he urinates on himself! WTH?? I'm so sorry for your brother! Not only is that neglect its mental/emotional abuse in my opinion. Let us know what happens today!!!

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Originally Posted by smacklan (Post 1729028)
I personally do not want any funding from the government. As soon as I accept that, I give them the right to tell me how to educate my kids...it is a slippery slope. We still have to retain the services of the HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense Association) each year at our expense just so we are protected from the government barging in and trying to shut us down or legislate against us (which happens all the time across this country and the biggest offenders of these attacks are the teachers unions!). No offense to all you dedicated and caring teachers out there but your unions need to stay the hell out of things that aren't their business! I agree with what others have said...that it's not for everyone but I will tell you this...that is an excuse for many to not even try ;)

I agree that still having the government in control can be hard to swallow but at least there is a third party public school in between. I guess its like an online charter school. Classified as a public school.

Its a good step for people like me who want to homeschool but lack confidence and personal funding. Homeschooling can get rather expensive.

PremierFootball 01-30-2009 06:47 PM

I am not a parent, however. I wouldn't homeschool my children, I would like them to have freedom and socialise with other children daily. The thought of them been away from other children does not seem right to me.

smacklan 01-31-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PremierFootball (Post 1729352)
I am not a parent...

Check back with us when you are ;)

Shelley_c 01-31-2009 12:22 AM

I guess in some cases home schooling children would work best it all depends on the circumstances, What may work for you may not work for (let's say) another family/child.

I know from experience (explained in this thread) that for my brother homeschooling would haeve been a little more benficial because he's wrapped himself in his own shell and bullied by certain teachers (whilst today he gained pupil of the week) so not interacting with children if he had been homeschooled is happening anyway at school.

The factors in play mentioned and the many others that haven't all depends on lifestyle/childs well being etc x1000 so it's what works est for the child and what the best outcome in the long run will be for them.

GSeybold 01-31-2009 02:59 AM

Amen Unicodermom,!

I'm so sick of this sheet also. The only person(s) that should be teaching children about sex are the parents! NOT on my tax dollar! A school board has NO business telling ANY child what is morally right or wrong, and expecially considering what freeks some of these educators are both in the classroom and personally. Yikes! Education in this country has gone from refined education to an institution of perpetuating social agenda-mostly liberal. Additionally, our "educational" system has also become yet ANOTHER source of welfare for so many irresponsible parents who can't take care of the children they already have and continue to have more. There are some great teachers out there but unfortunatley they are being overshadowed but the nutjobs in this particular profession.

I had to move my family from California because the education was so bad and my only recourse were religious zealot schools at the cost of several hundred a month. Why should I have to double pay for my children's education? Hocks me off. Then I move to Connecticut and my children are so far behind it's pathetic but we caught up, but then had to move to Florida. OMG! Some of the teachers here???? Screaming, dropping the F-bomb frequently, coming to work high with the munchies, blood shot eyes...... My daughter did have several good teachers but they never stayed long. :(

All and all, if I had to do it all over again, sadly I would most certainly home school my children. THere is so much more to offer a child when home schooling.

Gabby




"Can anyone tell I'm fed up? hahahahaha Its a shame that the schools can teach a child (even a failing child) to master the art of putting on a condom but yet the vast majority cant name the presidents of the united states. Priorities are WAY screwed up and to many agendas are screwing up the education system. They try and be moral police and what happens? The pregnancy rate goes UP not down. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!"

UncoderMom 01-31-2009 04:55 PM

But but but Gabby.... dont you understand??? If we are left to teach our children morals, we are just raising intolerant bigots??? ROFLMAO.

Sorry hahaha

davidw 02-01-2009 02:30 PM

Our two children are homeschooled. My eldest (five) is almost done with Kindergarten. She got an early start (learning to count to ten at eighteen months and knew her ABCs at twenty months). My three-year-old son isn't in Kindergarten yet he participated in most everything she did and is doing most everything successfully.

There are two or three social groups for homeschooled children here in which my children participate in that they go to once a week. One of these my son was originally placed in a three-year-old curriculum that he was bored in. A week later he was bumped up to the four-year-old curriculum of which he excelled in but was still somewhat bored. He soaks this up like his sister (like a sponge) - and wants to do more.

They are both very intelligent and we are looking forward to what comes next. I was surprised a few weeks ago when my daughter invented her first blueprint of a Rube Goldberg contraption (a mouse trap, coincidentally). She drew it on paper and explained exactly how it worked. She has been writing sheet music (although I don't think she fully understands what she is doing) for about six months now. This started when we gave her a toy piano with a song on it. We've seen so much out of both of them since we started homeschooling.

I hated public school
- I couldn't learn
- I felt like I was being held back (although I stayed in my correct grade levels)
- I had learning difficulties that teachers did not accept nor were willing to help me with.
- I was frustrated due to oversized class settings (until I moved my senior year; my class size dropped from 450 to 17)
- I was bored (even moving to honors classes for advanced learning was boring - I wanted to learn, not read more stories as in English (we were already reading stories)).

I want to give my children the opportunity to learn at their pace and not be held back. I also want to give them an unbiased education (When my wife and I went to school, we both were faced with one-sided discussions about most everything. It was the secular/public school way or we were graded wrong - told we were wrong. I want to allow my children to learn everything, whether right or wrong, so that they can understand. I want them to learn both sides to every argument because when they get out in the real world, they are going to be faced with bias, hate, one-sidedness, etc., and without the knowledge, they will be lost and accept possible fiction as fact.

I'm not against the public school system - I think it has great potential. I don't think that the public school system where we live is adequate for educating my children. I would rather them go where I learned in the Netherlands or the school that I graduated from (which was forcefully shut down in 1994 due to consolidation - some of my classes had a 1:4 teacher to student ratio such as my trigonometry class - but it was an excellent learning environment). In my previous high school where classes were a 1:35 to 1:40 ratio depending on who was there, no education was present; I would come in, the teacher gave the assignment, and the rest of the class was fulfilling the assignment. Nothing was learned.

There are negative things that I can address about what the public school system locally has said in regards to my children being homeschooled as since they aren't in school, they lose those extra dollars - since it is a business to them, but I will leave that out.

Reycer 02-01-2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1726494)
Thoughts about Homeschooling?

If I had to do it all over again, I would homeschool my children. I did it for a year when my family was abroad and I should have continued. I'm getting really sick and tired of the government telling me what my children should learn and be exposed to. I'm also tired of my children being exposed to some extreme opinions of teachers. I just found out that my daughter's chemistry teacher is a major pot head and came to work high all the time. Lovely eh? School certainly has changed since I was child.

Thoughts?

I was homeschooled for a while. I absolutely LOVED it!

Some pros: Student (kid) gets more 1 on 1 learning enviroment
Child is likely to fair better on the ACT and SAT's
Child is more likely to get into a better college (not necessarily, but maybe)
Child can learn better "family" skills

Cons: Child can become less social
No Peers for Child
Physical Education may not be there thus creating a weight problem (maybe)
Child does not have opportunity to play sports (in some cases like around out town, there is a "homeschoolers" team. They play the public schools and everything, but I know that this is a rare case).

All in all, I think it's better to homeschool a child. My problem is just time. We don't have it. lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke (Post 1728407)
The current economic stimulus package includes $100 billion specifically earmarked for schools and education. Not only to retain jobs but to build new schools and hire more teachers.

My wife is a school teacher.....we're not holding our breathe....done that before almost sufficated......lol

GSeybold 02-12-2009 09:02 AM

Need I say more? LOL

http://news.aol.com/article/teacher-prostitution/338744

Marco van Herwaarden 02-12-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1741679)

How is that related to this thread?

UncoderMom 02-12-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden (Post 1741683)
How is that related to this thread?

LOL, cuz most people wouldn't want prostitutes teaching their kids. LOL Some how crap like this keeps happening.

The morality in the US is declining. RAPIDLY.

jlew24asu 02-12-2009 03:15 PM

never done it but I say NO.

takes away from social interaction.....I feel that is as important as the actual education.

davidw 02-12-2009 03:40 PM

You don't think homeschooled children get social interaction? Curious - what is your idea of homeschooling?

jlew24asu 02-12-2009 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidw (Post 1742010)
You don't think homeschooled children get social interaction? Curious - what is your idea of homeschooling?

who do they socially interact with?

Marco van Herwaarden 02-12-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncoderMom (Post 1741880)
LOL, cuz most people wouldn't want prostitutes teaching their kids. LOL Some how crap like this keeps happening.

Ofcourse not, but anyone in your (childrens) environment could have a side-job like that without you knowing it. Also it does not say anything about her capabilities as a teacher.
Quote:

The morality in the US is declining. RAPIDLY.
I think that this also happened 10, 20, 50 years ago, so i don't agree with you that this is a sign the morality is declining.

(Ofcourse i do agree that it is declining)

jlew24asu 02-12-2009 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden (Post 1742054)
Ofcourse not, but anyone in your (childrens) environment could have a side-job like that without you knowing it. Also it does not say anything about her capabilities as a teacher.

so if she is proven as an outstanding teacher, would be perfectly fine with her "side job" ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden (Post 1742054)
I think that this also happened 10, 20, 50 years ago, so i don't agree with you that this is a sign the morality is declining.

(Ofcourse i do agree that it is declining)

funny hearing this from someone who isn't american. you dont live here, not sure you have the best idea of what really goes on.

GSeybold 02-12-2009 04:41 PM

Yet another PUBLIC teacher at large. Lovely. And on my tax dollar. That is how it is related.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSeybold (Post 1741679)



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