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Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 04:52 PM

IE Faster - Hate it more!
 
Ok, so I've been a 100% Firefox fanatic.... I'd take Firefox rendering over IE any day. But now it's become more and more of a reality that Firefox will never be as fast as IE. I've read over 20 articles and did quite a few tweaks for performance and still nothing. IE simply loads pages before my eyes, but firefox renders them the way i like. Now it's just making me wanna hate IE even more!

Anyone else sharing my frustration?

Lynne 01-10-2009 04:55 PM

I can't share your frustration, Gio, cuz I don't have IE on my Mac. :D

Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 04:56 PM

Showoff. I'm about to switch to Apple soon.

Brandon Sheley 01-10-2009 04:57 PM

I only use IE when I need to check something as a guest, while I'm still logged into the admincp
but I did allow firefox to update last night and I lost my adsense notification plugin and my bookmarks!!
If I was ever to use IE, it would of been last night..lol

Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loco.M (Post 1707500)
I only use IE when I need to check something as a guest, while I'm still logged into the admincp
but I did allow firefox to update last night and I lost my adsense notification plugin and my bookmarks!!
If I was ever to use IE, it would of been last night..lol

Really? Use the Web Development plugin Brandon, trust me it has loads of useful features. Including easily (temporarily) disabling cookies in order to view your website as a guest ;)

Lynne 01-10-2009 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist (Post 1707508)
Really? Use the Web Development plugin Brandon, trust me it has loads of useful features. Including easily (temporarily) disabling cookies in order to view your website as a guest ;)

I always view the website as a guest or plain registered user by opening up another browser (Safari). If you clear your cookies in the same browser, then you kick yourself out of the admin cp and can't make changes right away if needed, no?

KevinL 01-10-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne (Post 1707549)
I always view the website as a guest or plain registered user by opening up another browser (Safari). If you clear your cookies in the same browser, then you kick yourself out of the admin cp and can't make changes right away if needed, no?

Thats what I do too. Just seems easier. :)

nexialys 01-10-2009 06:10 PM

actually i use it on my PC side of things on my MAC... trying to test my designs, which i can't on my Mac side of things because the Mac browsers are compliant with everything.. lol

Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne (Post 1707549)
I always view the website as a guest or plain registered user by opening up another browser (Safari). If you clear your cookies in the same browser, then you kick yourself out of the admin cp and can't make changes right away if needed, no?

Nono. That's what i thought too. Turns out this feature like i said is temporary. Think about it as simply "disabling" a product? You can turn it right back on and you're good to go. Your cookies will still be intact. Here's a screen shot.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4036/screen1jq4.th.jpg

Other than that.

Bye bye Mozilla Firefox, Hello Google Chrome

Just installed Google Chrome now. Pages are loading right before my eyes. Reduction in clutter allows for a clean browser (placing more focus on content), and still with enough features. Hopefully it has some cool add-ons?

Magnumutz 01-10-2009 06:20 PM

Well, even if IE will load pages faster, i still won't use it for navigating.
I'm a "Firefox all the way" guy and simply love surfing with it.

However, i'm using the "IE tabs" plug-in to view pages as a guest or simply to see how it looks in IE.

Just a click from seeing my site in a different browser :)

If only IE had the features that FF has... and if it were less annoying...
It's simply not nice.

Thumbs up for it's speed, thumbs down for everything else.

P.S.: I use IE 6.0 for designs.

Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 06:23 PM

Yea, i agree. That Web Development toolbar always came in handy, along with other plugins and features that Mozilla was great for. Problem is that Speed definitely could have been better. Using Google Chrome for now to see how things go, haven't uninstalled Firefox just yet.

I also liked how Firefox rendered pages as oppose to IE. At a first glance, Chrome is similar to Firefox in terms of rendering. First thing i noticed was resized <img> tags display nicely on Chrome too and they definitely don't on IE :p At least not all the time.

Magnumutz 01-10-2009 06:25 PM

I think i forgot to mention something:
Where's IE's Download Manager?
Am i missing something or is IT missing the Download Manager?

SEOvB 01-10-2009 06:26 PM

Theres a web development tool bar for IE as well.

After I discovered IE had alot of the same useful addons FireFox did, i hardly ever use FF any more.

Gio~Logist 01-10-2009 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRDS (Post 1707614)
Theres a web development tool bar for IE as well.

After I discovered IE had alot of the same useful addons FireFox did, i hardly ever use FF any more.

What's the official add-ons directly for IE? Have you checked out Chrome?

Wayne Luke 01-10-2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist (Post 1707619)
What's the official add-ons directly for IE? Have you checked out Chrome?

http://www.ieaddons.com/en/extensions/. Though IE8 has a more powerful equivalent of the Web Developer Toolbar built-in by default. Just hit F12 on any page.

I prefer IE but currently use Firefox for a wider variety of addons... Had to make the Firefox interface look like IE7/8 as well. Can't stand the default Firefox icons and interface.

Have checked out Chrome but didn't like it. Didn't have enough features. I mean you can't even sort bookmarks into folders. Its too minimalist for my tastes over all.

lasto 01-10-2009 08:01 PM

IE all the way for me because i dont like firefox.Its like a throwback to the old days.KK it has some nifty bits in it but its never gonna beat IE thats for sure.
Love it or hate it - IE is here to stay./

harmor19 01-11-2009 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1707728)
IE all the way for me because i dont like firefox.Its like a throwback to the old days.KK it has some nifty bits in it but its never gonna beat IE thats for sure.
Love it or hate it - IE is here to stay./

I wonder why that is. Maybe it's because the wealthiest company in the world makes it.


IE8 does load pages quicker than Firefox, even pages loaded from localhost. The downfall is trying to load IE when your CPU usage is high. For example if I'm using ConvertXToDVD and I try to load IE (which is set to Google IG) it'll bring up a white page and just sit there. If I try and do anything it'll crash. If I launch Firefox it'll take about ten seconds to load up but once it does it runs very smooth.

I think Microsoft made IE with too much ego. When you launch it IE will say "Someone clicked on me, I must get it front of the line without any consideration for other running applications.":)

RedeemedWarrior 01-11-2009 05:35 AM

I use IE for checking Layouts in IE... thats it :P

Firefox 3 (preferd FF2 :() is my constant browser

Digital Jedi 01-11-2009 05:40 AM

Hrm, well, I don't get the same experience I hear other's getting. I really don't think either browser gets it completely right. I find pages load just a wee bit faster in FireFox, however, I absolutely can't stand the way it renders pages. The fonts are terrible and jagged. Maybe a setting I haven't learned of, but I don't use it for browsing websites much. I do use it for watching video, though, as MSNBC and CBS play better in it then in IE. Conversely, I can't get decent behavior from CNN with FF. The TV networks seem to play the same in both.

So, I kind of use both, since I have to check if everything is working in web design anyway, I might as well. I have qualms with both browsers and I'm not one of these cats that thinks either one deserves any bragging rights over the other. They're both missing some things the other could use. I tend to use IE for most of my web browsing for the simple fact that I can't stand the way fonts are rendered in FF. But I like the fact FF saves your password on secure pages. Switching to IE mode is not enough for me, as it just emulates IE behavior, which the point of using FF is to get FF behavior, so, there you go. I'll start loving a browser when it never crashes and only loads my home page when I'm not in a hurry. Until then, I'm not hating on either, I'm just don't think either has gotten it right yet.

Rapscallion 01-11-2009 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist (Post 1707489)
IE simply loads pages before my eyes, but firefox renders them the way i like. Now it's just making me wanna hate IE even more!

I'm baffled. Actually, shiny things baffle me, but that's irrelevant.

See, when I saw people trying to promote the Firefox browser, they often went on about how it was faster, and therefore it should be loved. Now I see someone saying that IE is currently the speed champion, and that makes them hate it.

I don't get all this devotion to browsers. As long as I can read the stuff on the page, I'm happy. Well, as long as the stuff I can see is good, of course. I don't use Firefox - the extremists who try to promote it put me off somewhat, but I've never had a problem with IE. I don't go around hating a piece of software. It's never broken into my house, kicked my girlfriend, and slept with my dog.*

Rapscallion

* I'm single and don't have a dog, in case someone gets curious...

Michael Biddle 01-11-2009 09:25 AM

It was me with your dog...

Anyways, I would love to switch to IE 8 as my full time browser, but my FF addons are too important for me.

Lizard King 01-11-2009 10:25 AM

Clippings is the ony thing that keeps me with Firefox. IE 8 rendering time is way faster then Firefox , uses way less ram compared to Firefox.

I didnt like Google Chrome at all. Its designed for regular surfers. Also i hate Google more then i hate Microsoft as a company.

nexialys 01-11-2009 10:49 AM

i prefer Netscape 1

iogames 01-11-2009 11:34 AM

Use FF+Plugins+Brain and you can go even faster than IE :D

harmor19 01-11-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iogames (Post 1708452)
Use FF+Plugins+Brain and you can go even faster than IE :D

I only use one plugin which is adblock. I rarely block ads but if I'm trying to read something and I see an animated advert out of the corner of my eye I'll block it.

I did however modified the config file. I don't know if there is a difference in speed though.

Shelley_c 01-11-2009 08:10 PM

I only use IE to check on styles I'm developing and that is it. I only have a few select plugins installed for firefox and have used this as my browser of choice. Chrome is not the browser I'll probably ever use, though I do have it installed.

harmor19 01-11-2009 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1708922)
I only use IE to check on styles I'm developing and that is it. I only have a few select plugins installed for firefox and have used this as my browser of choice. Chrome is not the browser I'll probably ever use, though I do have it installed.

One thing I don't about Chrome is that I can't enlarge a video, it'll only enlarge the text.

Gio~Logist 01-11-2009 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iogames (Post 1708452)
Use FF+Plugins+Brain and you can go even faster than IE :D

That's what i thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizard King (Post 1708425)
Clippings is the ony thing that keeps me with Firefox. IE 8 rendering time is way faster then Firefox , uses way less ram compared to Firefox.

I didnt like Google Chrome at all. Its designed for regular surfers. Also i hate Google more then i hate Microsoft as a company.

Hate.... Google?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapscallion (Post 1708366)
I'm baffled. Actually, shiny things baffle me, but that's irrelevant.

See, when I saw people trying to promote the Firefox browser, they often went on about how it was faster, and therefore it should be loved. Now I see someone saying that IE is currently the speed champion, and that makes them hate it.

I don't get all this devotion to browsers. As long as I can read the stuff on the page, I'm happy. Well, as long as the stuff I can see is good, of course. I don't use Firefox - the extremists who try to promote it put me off somewhat, but I've never had a problem with IE. I don't go around hating a piece of software. It's never broken into my house, kicked my girlfriend, and slept with my dog.*

Rapscallion

* I'm single and don't have a dog, in case someone gets curious...

lol. I'm not that devoted, really. I just hate it because I don't understand why i can't have the power of both :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke (Post 1707644)
http://www.ieaddons.com/en/extensions/. Though IE8 has a more powerful equivalent of the Web Developer Toolbar built-in by default. Just hit F12 on any page.

I prefer IE but currently use Firefox for a wider variety of addons... Had to make the Firefox interface look like IE7/8 as well. Can't stand the default Firefox icons and interface.

Have checked out Chrome but didn't like it. Didn't have enough features. I mean you can't even sort bookmarks into folders. Its too minimalist for my tastes over all.

Yea, Google always nails the whole minimalistic approach to things. It's their signature touch. Well i'll still have my fingers crossed for a faster Firefox one day.

Lizard King 01-11-2009 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist (Post 1708981)
Hate.... Google?

Yes , i have tons of reasons for that. If you want to hear them you can contact me on msn ( you can ask nexia for my msn details )

Dean C 01-11-2009 10:28 PM

I use firefox on my main machine because I develop on it, and can't live without firebug and the web dev toolbar. And adblock amongst other things. These extensions do slow my pages down but my PC can handle it :) However, I've been using chrome on my netbook and I have to say it wipes the slate clean with IE and FF so far ;)

nexialys 01-11-2009 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizard King (Post 1709042)
If you want to hear them you can contact me on msn ( you can ask nexia for my msn details )

ARF ARF ARF... hilarious... useless to ask, nobody will never have any of my contacts infos... Mert you try to insert me in your rants, but sorry, i'm not... ROFL

Digital Jedi 01-11-2009 11:29 PM

Did nexialys just bark, or did I read that wrong?

Shelley_c 01-12-2009 07:20 AM

Couldn't be anything with the latest adsense intergration would it? I guess in that case, we are all barking. Woof woof... woof woof woof... *howls*

Anyway, I like google, I don't dislike their browser nor do i like it. It's reminisce to a pretty ornament. great to look at though never gets used. And why would it?

Wayne Luke 01-12-2009 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harmor19 (Post 1708244)
I wonder why that is. Maybe it's because the wealthiest company in the world makes it.


IE8 does load pages quicker than Firefox, even pages loaded from localhost. The downfall is trying to load IE when your CPU usage is high. For example if I'm using ConvertXToDVD and I try to load IE (which is set to Google IG) it'll bring up a white page and just sit there. If I try and do anything it'll crash. If I launch Firefox it'll take about ten seconds to load up but once it does it runs very smooth.

I find the opposite to be true actually. IE always loads quickly and easily on my machine. Firefox takes a long visible time. Doesn't matter what I am doing or what my CPU utilization is at. Maybe its an OS difference though. I use Vista Premium as my primary OS. Firefox still has an acknowledged memory leak in association with Flash as well. Who knows one day it might be fixed but now, I can't leave any tabs with Flash open or Firefox goes crazy and balloons to using over a gigabyte of RAM.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gio~Logist (Post 1708981)
Yea, Google always nails the whole minimalistic approach to things. It's their signature touch. Well i'll still have my fingers crossed for a faster Firefox one day.

Yeah, its why outside technical circles, most people think their services suck except for a few quality ones. I guess they have a good niche with technical people though.

Gio~Logist 01-14-2009 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizard King (Post 1709042)
Yes , i have tons of reasons for that. If you want to hear them you can contact me on msn ( you can ask nexia for my msn details )

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexialys (Post 1709112)
ARF ARF ARF... hilarious... useless to ask, nobody will never have any of my contacts infos... Mert you try to insert me in your rants, but sorry, i'm not... ROFL

Had to get it from Nex earlier when I passed by for some COD4 ownage :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi (Post 1709114)
Did nexialys just bark, or did I read that wrong?

He growls :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shelley_c (Post 1709432)
Couldn't be anything with the latest adsense intergration would it? I guess in that case, we are all barking. Woof woof... woof woof woof... *howls*

Anyway, I like google, I don't dislike their browser nor do i like it. It's reminisce to a pretty ornament. great to look at though never gets used. And why would it?

I use it to simply browse now. When i don't need to disable cookies, use developer tools, etc. you'll catch me on chrome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke (Post 1709664)
Yeah, its why outside technical circles, most people think their services suck except for a few quality ones. I guess they have a good niche with technical people though.

I thought their minimalistic approach would bring them the exact opposite (rants from the techs and applause from the simplistic).

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Another thing i noticed about Chrome: Alt tags automatically appear when hovering over an element. Which actually makes sense. If i wanted to wait 3 seconds to see a damn preview, i'd click it in 1 second and see the whole thing!


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