so, you win or loose your elections ?!
 

Obama, McCain, no matter who win, locally, for your vote, you win ?

i'm in Quebec, so i did not vote... we're going into a new run of elections in Quebec province tomorow... :)

hopefully the bunch I voted for wins :D
I'm just glad it's almost over

Well considering the electorate approach to the presidency, my vote did pretty much nothing. I can't want until this election is over.

I didnt even waste my time for the president. I went voted on one local issue i wanted to see fail and left everything else blank.

seems pretty positive..lol
what I say to those that don't vote.... don't cry with the way things are ran the way you want then ;)

and those who did vote dont cry when nothig changes because who ever wins wont make no difference.They promise to change this,that and the other and you will get nothing.
American Policy will still be the same regardless if Bush/Obama or anyone else are in power, because they are just the front men and do not make the decisions.

In all seriousness do u really expect things to change - do u think obama is going to bring the troops back from Iraq ?
Do u think american Policy to the rest of the world is going to change ? - Do you think all your problems are going to be solved because you got a new president - Dream on.
All your looking at is a new face - the front man of the organisation - a public relations figure.Bush was very successful in being a president because everyone blamed him for the Iraq War so he was the status icon that was associated with evil so change the face and you now have a fresh approach to do the same things over again.

yeah so sad that this become a 'color issue' :(

I really dont think color had anything to do with it.

you have to see ABC ;) and both speeches couldn't avoid the topic...

and...

CNN:
MSN:
Yahoo:

i gave my view above nothing else - so why are you playing the race card ?
My view would be exactly the same if anyone else got in.This has nothing to do with Obama and i never actually spoke above about him as a person,i just used his name for reference.

seems to me like you the only one bringing color into it.

Yeah, color vote is so "American" ... racism come when you make a difference... black people are proud to have one of them on the top, white people are proud to have elected the first non-slave to the top.... pathetic on both sides...

even Barrack never talked about his color to be a point to elect him, because he hates all sides of racism...

/me voted for Obama and plenty of other people last night in local elections.

Sure the president doesn't hold absolute power but hopefully he can spur some change here on the home front and abroad. If anything this election has shown that the people are fed up with the way the government is currently begin run. I saw plenty of people vote this go round that had never done so at any point in their life.

I don't see colour. I just see a well-educated, well-spoken and sensible man who was always going to win from the moment he threw his name into the hat :)

Seeing him speak really makes you realise how much of an idiot you've had in the Whitehouse for the last 8 years.

If we had rep here I would have repped you! :up:

Obama got there because the americans want a change and they believe in Obama to sort out the countrys problems and believe him to be the most suitable candidate from who was running.

But did`nt you Yanks also believe in Bush at the time and got him voted into power as im pretty certain he never got there on his own :)

no.......

If you lived here you'd know that 99% of the population hates him (yes I pulled that number out of my ass, but it's probably closer to the true number than 0%). In fact Bush lost the popular vote last go round...remember all that re-counting?

Look... Most people in the USA are more concerned about getting through the day than they are about politics. A lot of people over here don't even vote...or hell they can't vote! I have plenty of friends that have a felony on their record and none of them are allowed to vote. ;/ Also for your information we didn't just vote for a new president last night...there were plenty of elections going...mainly ones relating to local and state governments.

There is plenty wrong with our system yes, but there is plenty of goods things in it as well. The good and the bad goes together. Everyone loves to bash Bush but we all know it wasn't just him that got us in the position we are in now.

BTW for the record I am not a god damned Yankee. I live in the south and do not want to be associated with them crazy people up North. ;)

:up:

See? the french guy is 99% right! :D
I only wish this wasn't about that issue, but I live in Los Angeles, and they are still jumping, yelling, crying... and I really don't understand... since where I come from never witnessed that problem ;)

I don't think he hates, but he avoid the topic

Troop Withdrawal has been in negotiation with the Iraqi government for some time. Already several divisions of troops have been recalled since the "surge".
You're right anyone who believes all problems will be over due to a new president elect are dreaming. However this new President has the backing of Congress for at least two years. A lot of policy change can be implemented in two years. The current government is fairly ineffective due to a lame duck president with low popularity and no backing from Congress.

While we do not know the outcome of an Obama presidency yet. We will see it in the first two years. We might know before January 20th how things will look as he starts nominating cabinet members. He has quite a pool of talented individuals to lean on and get advice from. The presidency is much more than one man in the United States, its his group of advisors and how that advice is implemented as well. Sure he is one man but if he can motivate the country to get behind him then his changes will be enacted. George W. Bush was able to accomplish this due to outside influence and terror. Once that was removed from the equation he was fairly ineffective due to his lack of motivational skills. We'll see how this will work for Obama who does have the motivational skills needed to move a people. Skills seen in other presidents like Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln, Adams and Washington. The test is to see if he will live up to his predecessors or not. If he doesn't then in four years, he could be looking for work.

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As for local California elections... A couple things I voted against passed. A couple things I voted for passed. Its all give an take.

Depending on which state you live in, the electoral vote is either based on your popular vote or your representative can over ride it.

I voted yesterday, good experience...

VERY VERY well said, this is what I explained to my wife yesterday after voting for Obama and her voting Mccain.

It also needs said, speaking for myself, I have immense repsect for Mccain, he is a great man, just not the one I want running the USA.

That Mr Wayne guy got always good insights ;)
I thought it was just on technology, and I hope to be like you when I grow up :p

Most the group I voted for won, and no.. color didn't have anything to do with it.

Oprah, Collin Powell, Jesse Jackson... cried and talked about color

I'm the one I didn't want to be this about color

Here comes the taxes

Wow! so u made more than 250,000 with your forum? :D

so stop bringing up the color issue then.

I won since 18 years ago!;)

The people wanted a major change - and they got it.

I wanted a change - and I got it.

I voted for Obama - and I got it.

I voted for a Republican senator (local) - and I got it.

I'm just glad the election process is over!

The popular vote was lost too.

Congratulations President Elect Barack Hussein Obama.

The Republican Party Killed itself. More of us broke ranks than I can remember last.

Can you wish for a Bike for myself? :rolleyes:

Seriously Sir, I respect your comments alot, but that wasn't change, was 'REDEMPTION' :D

It's just less than 72hrs and he change the world!?!?! Take that Mr Mandela! :D

how has he changed the world in 72 hrs - obviously he changed History by being first black president but changing the world is hard to believe.

Well, in two days time, Iraq has told us to leave in 2 months if they don't get their way.

Bring the boys and girls home. Let Iraq in it's infinite wisdom fix themselves the rest of the way. They must have learned arrogance from G W Bush.

Let's plan the welcome home party. Obama doesn't even have to force a withdrawal. This is a great day! We can't give Iraq concessions as they demand.

Welcome home troops!

So is that hard calculate future with a new factor?

and yes noppid, this was a wrooong war, but if you are married and have kids, you don't sit and wait to be hit... you take action :(

I do have kids, but we don't buy into fear mongering. I fear my kids getting drafted for the "wrong" war, not all the Muslims in the world.

Our own laws dictate we cannot take preemptive action against an adversary. So why would we do that to another Country?

Hypocrisy and lies are why we are hated. Me and my kids want to change that, not escalate it.

But I'd love to hear what I need to be afraid of? They are not even afraid in Iraq and want us to leave in two months if they can control our troops. You want your kids there, under Iraqi Law and control?

I don't want anyone's kid there. They are ingrates, ignorant and arrogant.

Oh they think we are wrong we think they are wrong... but this was not about the war...
3 days has pass and I really congratulate the guy, but I don't want to take it out of proportion... the last guy I remember make a real difference on this world was, was... well even after Jesus we keep fighting [no religion invoked here]

Disagreements will always exist. The way we solve them dictates our character.

Right now, we look like characters, not people of character. That must change.

Preemptive bombing and taking control over those we disagree with does not solve issues, it escaates them. That is not productive.

take action means, have all securities on place to fulfill your protective roll of your love ones...
In fact I do believe no civilian should have died...

and power corrupts even the kindest soul...

But that's not what happened. I don't see your point in this debate? Yes, security in place, but when to use it is paramount.

If you are saying Obama will turn out like Bush, I think you shot your wad a bit too soon.

I enjoyed the debate while it lasted however. It's nice to talk civilly.

I never said like Bush... if you only can see 8 years behind and 3 days ahead, well that sample of history doesn't tell us too much...
I'm saying: Human nature is what it is...