the IOC will close the Relay instead of banning China...
 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe...rpt/index.html

What do you think ?!

is it before the China situation or before the protestants that the IOC have to act upon ?!

personally, i think that if China is not playing the same game as the Olympics, i don't see why the next games are there... the IOC could decide to move this summer's games to Barcelona or another location where the installations are present...

It is not the protestants that are the startup of the problem... the IOC does not have to stop all the activities surrounding the games because of that.. there was never be any protestation against the games, they are politicals, so the IOC have to decide to move the games to a different location where there is no political pressures... the Olympic spirit is broken due to China...

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btw, this is the first thread about the Olympics for a long time... ;)

I still don't understand on what basis was China awarded the Olympics. Simply for the fact that China (among other countries) do not support any of the higher values promoted by the Olympic games.

This, as well as, the way things are managed by the IOC by being very unfair to a lot of countries out there, thus not supporting the message of bringing the world together. I quote:

"Olympics have been chosen to be held in 50 cities (including repeats) since its "rebirth", twice in Eastern Europe, 5 times in East Asia, once in Central America, and the remainder in Western nations. No African, South American, Central Asian, or South Asian nation has ever been chosen as host for the Olympics."

The two arguments are not necessarily mutually exclusive, in other words, not every totalitarian regime is in that region, and not every country in that region is a totalitarian regime.

I think is contradictory the way how China oppress Tibet [and Taiwan] and the spirit of the Olympics... It's a huge desicion, but yes I'm in favor of banning China from hosting the Olympics :down:

I remember the Boycott from USA to Moscow '80, I was a kid but now I understand

I feel bad for the athletes.

The athletes only want to compete, and they train hard with a very limited career potential of maybe one Olympics.

The statement should have been made 8 years ago when the IOC was bought into choosing Beijing for the Olympics. The statement should have been made years ago By the major world players boycotting China financially.

Suffice it to say the hope that mere athletes are going to make the difference isn't enough. The world community needs to be the one to tell China that they have to change.

as for why china got the Olympics over other fore runners? my belief is that the corruption that the IOC was accused of before never went away. Money still reigned supreme. I was a big follower of the Olympic bid as one of the forerunners was my home town of Toronto Canada, and when the announcement was made it was quite shocking. I dont think Toronto needed it or should have won it, But to lose to a country and a place that is known for Genocide and some of the worste humanitarian issues of today, you know there is something foul at play

talking about non-sense...

Funny US is trying hard to extend a relationship with China despite human rights violations...

there are rights in China ?!... how to violate something that does not exists... tssss

Touch? :(

i think that China means business ...

and in business,. there is no rights for hte individuals...

ah gotcha! ;) [like the blue site!]

well still kills the spirit!

The 2008 Beijing Olympics would be a stab in the heart of communism by expanding capitalist ideas and by giving the people of China a real taste of what their lives can be with money and the kind of cooperation and trust it takes to be in this World today. Of course there will be protests to stop the progress of China.

First come together with the Olympics and maybe Human Rights will be next.

Yes, because the Olympics has done so well with those kinds of things in the past, like the 1936 games in Berlin...

protests to stop the progress in China? i think there is a huuuge trouble with the Tibet Country ...

What a Dream Crusher!

I should say is a matter of principles, I'm not fond of the Dalai Lama, but in fact they invaded the Tibet.

Dang! and it was a HUGE country, bigger than many European States, there's nothing honorable on oppressing a pacific country.

Different perspectives. As my Cherokee Grandpa would say, no US citizen has a right to say anything about Tibet until they force the US government to honor the THOUSANDS of broken treaties with the several native nations of the continent including the Cherokee - whom the US government under Andy Jackson marched 1,500 miles to relocation in Oklahoma killing more than half their number along the way.

And the Tibet situation as been going on longer than the US has existed, so don't give me any crap about the US oppression of the native american tribes being irrelevant.

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Nothing honorable at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears

Very interesting discussion.

Just out of curiosity, what would you have the US do for the Cherokee (and other) tribes at this point?

You can't unscramble an egg. Further there's no equitable solution that's going to fit in any post I could type up in under 4 hours and 5000 words, and I don't have that kind of time.

What I do know is acting holier than thou will not sway the Chinese in the slightest. The best policy is to encourage the growth of capitalism. The growth of a middle class will undermine and eventually cause the collapse of communism with time. As long as we do not isolate China and turn her into an enemy and a threat time is on our side and against the communists who control her.

But alas, impatience is the one flaw of democracy. Since our executive perforce changes ever 8 years we as a nation are rarely able to engage in policies that endure over decades. There are only two exceptions I know of - opposition to communism and the Manifest Destiny.

Bringing about democratic reform in China is not a project of months or years. It will take decades and a lot of small steps but it can be done if we have the patience and the will to see it through.

Keep on worrying about every other countries problems, we all know america doesn't have anything wrong with it that doesn't get a fraction of the attention other issues do...right?

Oh-oh... this is getting political and we all know that we are at the brink of being...

Back to the topic: when the Olympics start?

Or where do I uy a copy of the past Olympics! didn't see 'em :(

you can't buy olympics... they are too big... anyway, everybody at the end received a medal... boring

I mean the DVD of the Greece Olympics, I have lost 2 Olympics :rolleyes:

Anyone here going to the 'Special' Olympics?