Removing edits for users
 

No, no mods should _ever_ do this.

In response to this thread : https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=125173

Tell it to the main admin he uses it too.

Its my firm belief that things like this are causing our users to revert further and further back-words and are becoming more and more needy and less able to do things on their own. Any time we remove a step for them, it gets harder for them to learn things.

>_> If people choose not to learn, its really not our problem.. the people that dont make an effort to learn obviously wont make an effort to put their knowledge to the test so their aint no reason really... :P But yes, i see where your comming from!

You're taking the option to learn away from them, they dont have the chance.

Eh, I would DEFINATELY reccomend manual template edits for users who already know how to do them! If your a new user, and don't even know how to access the template system, I do not reccomend doing it for them. I'm backing up Zachery all the way.

Well i was exajurating obviously by saying all mods should use it... little ones are not bad, but its a pain in the koo-koo when you gota make 23874million edits! (Anything over 5 different templates eg. navbar and forumhome that needs editing is just annoying.)

Would you rather make edits or let the modification authors decide what to insert and where on your forums?

If you want to try _real_ modification, go to the vB2 archives and try installing some of those hacks ;)

If you actually need this, you're not likely to even know where to look, since it took even you eight months to comment on it. I think that vB really has a powerful plugin system, and it's one of the reasons I went with it. Do I want to eliminate file edits? Not really; if nothing else you come away with a better understanding of how the code works, or at least you do if you're not just blindly "find this, paste this after it" and will look for the context of the code so you see how the code works.

And yes, some of the vB2 hacks are kind of ridiculous, I used to run a 2.2.4 board way back when and you got to thinking that you didn't really need that extra bit of functionality. We've come a long way, baby.

I do agree with copy and pasting doesn't help, but I did take a good look at them to see how they worked, and worked up from that to make a couple user management hacks. Although, sadly, most people who use vbulletin are copy and pasters and make no effort to contribute or even take a look at the coding on the hack. As I said before, although it is a nice feature, people are taking too much advantage with it, in simpler terms DON'T BE LAZY. DO THE EDITS. It's not like you are lifting 500 pounds, its copy and pasting! I know this post is all over the place, but I think it gets the point out pretty well.

Most of the time, I go into the plug-ins and remove the PHP that does the template edit automatically, and copypasta the corresponding template where it is supposed to go, or wherever I want it to go. It makes it easier for me to troubleshoot, design around the hack, and other. If someone wants to do it automatically it doesn't really bother me personally. I see, and understand the points on both sides, but prefer to do the template edits manually. Just personal preference, and in the long run easier for me.

I do not provide modifications to teach people how to code/whatever, they are provided to add extra functionality to peoples forums.

I guess you won't be too happy about template hooks then ?