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Abe1 07-30-2006 11:59 PM
A PM i got from 'albibak'
 
I'm posting this here to hear what other coders thing of this.

I got a PM from ‘albibak’, a ‘Team Member’ from www.vbulletin-france.com. He was requesting permission to translate me hacks to French. I normally allow such types of requests but www.vbulletin-france.com is the unofficial French support website for vb. One click to their site showed me that all there hacks are open to anyone who wants to download them.

This idea of letting anyone download hacks without verifying they have a vb license doesn’t sound too good. Anyone can then translate the hack back to English and enjoy it on their non-licensed site. Most hacks don’t have that many phrases and can take a minute or two to fully translate the whole hack.

I would like to know why coders here would give such permissions.

oninuva 07-31-2006 12:10 AM
Well First of All They do not need any translation at all...

VbHackers.com has most of the good "English" hacks already. Well all the good ones atleast. So Yeah. See What I mean?

Billspaintball 07-31-2006 12:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abe1
Most hacks don?t have that many phrases and can take a minute or two to fully translate the whole hack.
If they are bi-lingual that is. If they cant read French + the language they are translating to it would take quite a bit longer than that.
Quote:
I would like to know why codes here would give such permissions.
Why not?
Why should I restrict my Hacks to English?
If there is an "Official" vB site for that language then they would get preference, but if there isant than an unofficial one is welcome to translate mine.

Code Monkey 07-31-2006 12:43 AM
It doesn't matter. All the hacks are on pirate sites anyways. Thinking they are safe here is fools gold.

Abe1 07-31-2006 01:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billspaintball
Why not?
Why should I restrict my Hacks to English?
If there is an "Official" vB site for that language then they would get preference, but if there isant than an unofficial one is welcome to translate mine.
That is not the point of my post. The post is that you are releasing your hack to the public. If you would do it in French, why not here in English? Why have the validating process here? We are protecting our hacks here. Sending it there, is making them un-protected.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpD
It doesn't matter. All the hacks are on pirate sites anyways. Thinking they are safe here is fools gold.
So why not make this place open to the public already?

You don't have to make it easy for them.

jlaine 07-31-2006 01:18 AM
At least the proposed translator is attempting to do the right thing and ask permission, although JumpD does have a valid point - the pirates find their way in anyway.

Code Monkey 07-31-2006 01:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abe1

So why not make this place open to the public already?

You don't have to make it easy for them.
It is easy for them. Members of this site who are licensed give it to them and/or are them. It's a nasty world out there and they know jelsoft doesn't care and the members here don't have the money or resources to care. So until Richie Rich gets into coding vb hacks, that's the way it will be.

Allan 07-31-2006 05:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abe
I'm posting this here to hear what other coders thing of this.

I got a PM from ‘albibak’, a ‘Team Member’ from www.vbulletin-france.com. He was requesting permission to translate me hacks to French. I normally allow such types of requests but www.vbulletin-france.com is the unofficial French support website for vb. One click to their site showed me that all there hacks are open to anyone who wants to download them.

This idea of letting anyone download hacks without verifying they have a vb license doesn’t sound too good. Anyone can then translate the hack back to English and enjoy it on their non-licensed site. Most hacks don’t have that many phrases and can take a minute or two to fully translate the whole hack.

I would like to know why coders here would give such permissions.
Why not ?

I would be charmed to divide my hack and styles on English sites, why not the reverse, that engage only me, not Jelsoft.

This reaction kills the community I find, vBulletin must last by the international sites, that be or not official, that helps the world community multi-language.


[high]* Allan angry ..[/high]

Milad 07-31-2006 05:44 AM
There is no problem, you have to thank hem because he asks you before such doing.
Second you can ask him to translate, then you add the language file with you hack here plus his translation credits.

Ziki 07-31-2006 06:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpD
It doesn't matter. All the hacks are on pirate sites anyways. Thinking they are safe here is fools gold.
Agreed.It's just like you have a friend and he is running a cracked vb (I had one and he got reported :p) and he request a hack from you he saw here :confused:

Kirk Y 07-31-2006 07:16 AM
I agree with Abe, if there's such a lack of care in keeping these hacks from unlicensed users, why not just open vBulletin.org to the public -- licensed or not.

Allan 07-31-2006 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by acidburn0520
I agree with Abe, if there's such a lack of care in keeping these hacks from unlicensed users, why not just open vBulletin.org to the public -- licensed or not.
it's not the question, if requests are made, it's not to distribute hacks on an official site, but in order to give a chance to a country to create forums vBulletin, to increase the number of purchase of licences in French. That engages only the coder, anybody other, free A him to accept or refuse, quite simply.

TheUGN.com 07-31-2006 07:30 AM
Why not Jelsoft dont attempt to shut down/or sue any un-official Vb sites ?
because simply its not worth the trouble, there are many many un-official Vb sites out there.

Kirk Y 07-31-2006 07:34 AM
Why doesn't Jelsoft create a vBulletin for major countries then? There's already a German vB -- why not a Spanish vB, French vB, etc. That way all our hacks can be freely distributed and translated and still fall under the licensing permissions.

Oh and UGN, Jelsoft does attempt to shut down unofficial vB sites. I've seen a few boards shutdown due to license issues -- or lack thereof.

Lizard King 07-31-2006 07:36 AM
We all pay for our vbulletin licenses and vbulletin.org is a privilidge for all licensed users. If the hacks will be listed for unlicensed users why did we pay for our license in order to ge this privilidge. The hacks shall not be avaible for unlicensed users. And what pisses me of is vBulletin doesn't care if a site is publishing hacks because they have nothing to do. hack authors must contact the site. But i believe Jellsoft may help hack authors in this matter. Otherwise there will be no advantage buying a license.

Kirk Y 07-31-2006 07:37 AM
When you purchase your license, you're not purchasing a free pass to vBulletin.org -- this site is here for purely modification purposes, even though it is run under the supervision of Jelsoft.

Allan 07-31-2006 07:44 AM
Be sure of a thing, much of anybody buys the licence thanks to no official sites more than official, it's a fact !

The purpose being to share, not to pirate hacks.

Put yourselves in the place of the countries which have no official site ;)

albibak 07-31-2006 08:01 AM
In our forum, we can verify if a member have a licence. So if a coder would protect the translation, it's possible ;)

Abe1, I don't understand your reaction, because the past year you had give the permission to vbulletin-france to translate your hack. I send the new mp only to be sure that you're allways OK...
Why now you aren't agree with this?

Paul M 07-31-2006 09:18 AM
What a lot of fuss over a simple request. If you don't want to give permission then don't, simple enough. JFYI, I got the request and granted them permission, unless there is a good reason, I don't generally refuse anyone who is polite enough to ask. :)

Allan 07-31-2006 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
What a lot of fuss over a simple request. If you don't want to give permission then don't, simple enough. JFYI, I got the request and granted them permission, unless there is a good reason, I don't generally refuse anyone who is polite enough to ask. :)
I agree with Paul M, words with full wisdom ^^

Abe1 07-31-2006 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
I don't generally refuse anyone who is polite enough to ask. :)
He is not asking for him self. He is asking for others. Those others can be unlicensed users.

TygerTyger 07-31-2006 12:37 PM
Surely though if they are unlicensed it won't matter if they have permission to redistribute the hacks or not, they will be going against Jelsoft's TOS regardless? In which case it hardly matters if they have permission to translate mods, they're in trouble either way.

If they're properly licensed, then it's a simple case of yes you can/no you can't.

Abe1 07-31-2006 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TygerTyger
Surely though if they are unlicensed it won't matter if they have permission to redistribute the hacks or not, they will be going against Jelsoft's TOS regardless? In which case it hardly matters if they have permission to translate mods, they're in trouble either way.

If they're properly licensed, then it's a simple case of yes you can/no you can't.
'albibak' is a licensed member but he is distributing our hacks to anyone.

albibak 07-31-2006 01:08 PM
Abe1, I said that we can protect your hack's translation by the verification system of licence ;)
We do that when a coder want to distribute his hack only for member who has a license :)
So, you can be sure that our translation of your hack will be protected :)

Kirk Y 07-31-2006 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TygerTyger
Surely though if they are unlicensed it won't matter if they have permission to redistribute the hacks or not, they will be going against Jelsoft's TOS regardless? In which case it hardly matters if they have permission to translate mods, they're in trouble either way.

If they're properly licensed, then it's a simple case of yes you can/no you can't.
I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the vB TOS that state distributing hacks for vBulletin is illegal/punishable.

PitchouneN64ngc 07-31-2006 01:18 PM
Abe1,

I'm one of the administrators of vBulletin-france.com/vBulletin-fr.org.

I'm introducing this thread about the PM you received from Albibak who is a member of my team.

We have set up in our forums a unofficial license check who refuse all possibilities to our unlicensed users. This consists to come in a post in this forum and to click in the link in a textbox [code] to be recognize as a licensed user. the only convenient is the member is recognize once for all the life.

You can simply refuse to authorize us (or any forum) to translate your hacks/plugins/products, or you have some other possibilities:
  • If your product is 100% phrased, you can allow only to release the French language file of your product, and the member who wants your hack/plugin/product must to go in your hack thread to download it.
  • You can allow to release your full releases if you prefer.
  • You can allow some of your hacks only too.
  • You can also to allow the translation but the French language file can be downloadable only in your hack thread.
  • You can refuse with tell us you don't want to be contacted in the future.

You have a lot of possibilities, just let us know what you prefer :)

Paul M 07-31-2006 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abe1
'albibak' is a licensed member but he is distributing our hacks to anyone.
Correct, but only if you give him permission to do so - I really fail to see the problem - if you don't like the idea then don't give him permission - it's that simple - what's the reason for all the fuss ?

Marco van Herwaarden 07-31-2006 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abe1
'albibak' is a licensed member but he is distributing our hacks to anyone.
If you have proof that someone is redistributing materials with permission of the original author, then either warn the author about this, or send a PM to one of our staff members. If there is no proof of this, i would appreciate that you don't make such accusations.

Having that said, and having all parties already responded in here, i think it is time to close this thread.


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