for those who have left
 

What exactly needs to be done/happen here on the .org for you guys to come back?

Points made in the thread:

• More professionalism by the staff
• help members to provide better feedback to coders
• give coders more incentive to release hacks
• encourage more coding discussion in the public forums
• make it more challenging + rewarding to be a 'master coder'

More cheese? :cross-eyed:

No, more vodka and sweeties

For brad to give the graphic database it's own dedicated area. I'm sure they would come flooding back. Who's left btw?

I don't think graphics is the main reason people flock to org to be honest... you can get them anywhere *shrug*

Anywhere but your forum? ;)

they can get them there when the site's open, I've been concentrating elsewhere... but vb.org isn't about my forum.

Your getting lazy. Want me to design you another style? make it 3 for luck? :)

Anyway, Who left EasyTarget?

Think very hard about where you're trying to take this thread, Shelley and whether it's a path you really want to go down.

No, I don't want you to design another style. I've just finished designing two custom styles for clients so haven't had time to work on the site. And if we're being pernickety it was one and a half you did.

I'm not getting into a slanging match on here with you over something you obviously still have issues with. So let's keep it sweet shall we, huh? :)

*steps out of thread*

I haven't got any issues with you. Believe that or not.

Now who actually left?

I'm referring to the coders who over the last few weeks/months have pulled their hacks from the site and stopped submitting/supporting them. but others have done the same in the past, just not as quickly as seemed to have happened recently.

actually you can't get them just anywhere, and graphics is a BIG reason why quite a few vB users come to vb.org

yea, I think if they paid more attention to the graphics area that people would use it a lot more.

I remember a discussion on the .com where I was suggesting that modified vb forums (thanks to the coders) account for a big portion of the vb sales. They said something like 85 or 90% of vb owners don't edit their code or templates. They mostly just changed the graphics. (but I was trying to make the point that the reason those 85/90% even purchased vb was because they saw a modified/hacked vb forum in the first place)

So basically there's a large group of vb owners who could really use a nice graphics/styles area here.

Make everyone a moderator.... So we can all just ban each other.

Actually, I dont care about graphics. My website is identiffied with some colours and I cant loose that strenght. So graphics is not all there is.

Most of the people left because of the staff replies they got. But even changing the staff, wont satisfy everyone. We all run boards and know how is it. You can never make everyon happy. And that is sad... in a way.

but we can try :p

I'm not a member of the cheese group. Where do I apply? Do I have to post a recipe to become a member? Banana Split? :banana: Rabbit Stew? :bunny:

With cheese of course.

Just incase you thought i left, i haven't ;) Still here. An agreement has been made between Wayne, I, and a few others. You will soon be able to read about this when he gets around to posting it :p

Lots of changes. I ain't quite catch up to all the new changes here. :D

[high]* Boofo adds noppid to the cheese group. Welcome aboard, buddy![/high]

LOL...funny Boofo!

You want some cheese, too? ;)


[high]* Boofo thinks that has GOT to be his best pick-up line ever![/high]

/me refrains from telling Boofo how that sounds

I tell you what though, if some guy said that to me he wouldn't be able to ......

/me whistles off into the distance

Violence solves nothing... It's funny though :D

Chris

no thank you on the cheese, but.... uuhhhh... never mind... https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/

Hmmm.... Boofo does like his "tarts". ;)

Sorry to go off track a little here, but if people have "left", how could they respond to your originial message?

Priceless.

By using a representative :)

I speak on behalf of all those that have left, Boofo please quit giving out goat cheese to everyone.....

rofl

Yeah but not of the quality of Shelley_c's!

and that is really funny lol but true no more cheese.:chinese:

Mmmmm cheese :D

Chris

Send me a memo if there is an answer.

[high]* Kihon Kata is very interested in agreements![/high]

There are those who left, and those who decided to never participate in the first place. Things that I found off-putting:

1. The "staff" seemed less than professional. That's because they were/are: this isn't a professionally run forum. It's run by unpaid volunteers. While there are pros to this, there are also cons:

• No/little accountability
• personal agendas
• personal attacks/arguments with members

I don't see that this is changed. Rather than Jelsoft hiring professional moderators to address the problem, the site has yet another iteration of "monkeys running the zoo".

2. A "l33t coder" mentality. A system where the titles are based on how many "hacks" have been authored, a private hidden "coders discussion" forum, an attitude that "if you can't make my hack work as is, then you shouldn't be installing hacks", etc. I don't see that this has been addressed at all.

3. An overly-complicated forum/sub-forum structure. I see that this has changed, but I'm not sure it's for the better. Apparently, there are now three separate programming/modification sub-forums? And graphic/style discussions are similar scattered.

how are they meant to read this if they left m8 ?

anyway not been following whats been going on and dont really care - seems people forget this board is here for the users who want to mod their vb boards - if people want to post hacks and help then thanks and we appreciate it but your not gods and wont be treated as such.Seen loads of posts where people have been ranting and taking their hacks off vb.org but end of day or month etc they be back as lets be fair here vb.org is the official site of all vb.hacks and i know there are spin offs boards but they dont cater for members like this board does.

If i was in charge id ignore the ones who threw their toys and carry on with updating the board as you are doing.Remember this board aint just about those who shout the loudest - its about helping the little man who needs the help with his/her board.And on vb.org there is many people who are willing to stand up and give help all for a little bit of thanks.

Now while im ranting - change the style - u changing everything else so treat us to a new skin that we`d be proud of :)

I agree with some of those, but I don't think it's necessary to hire professional moderators in order to get professional type work. Many people have forums where they don't get $$, but they still have good moderation.

as far as the coder forum, what's wrong with having a private coder forum? (just wondering what the cons are to it)

I'm sure there's a lot that still browse around to see what's going on without releasing their work here, or there's people that know others who have left and can let them know.

as far as your other points, I disagree, it is about the coders, they should be treated differently than normal members and should have some perks (besides the basic benefits) here for releasing their work to us.

I strongly disagree with your statements about the staff Tgreer. I feel that the staff here is top-notch.

But your #3 statements I DO agree with. the graphics/styles forums are all over the place... very poor placement there.