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Whats the Top 10 worst hacks 4 server load?
Hi peeps
I have lots of hacks installed as i am sure a few of you already know ;) I think because of this my server load goes from about 0.30 with 2 members online upto about 2.0 with 8 members online and so on and so on..... This in turn dramatically slows the forum down, so what i want to do is remove (if its feasable) the worst hacks for server load.... Therefore i would like you all to list the worst hacks that you know that cause a lot of server load and hopefully this in turn will help me to trim the amount of 'ahem, hacks that i have installed an improved the performance of our forum...... Or, is someone going to tell me thats its nowt to do with the hacks and its all down to the crappy host i have :o |
Hmm,
vBShout, with some bad settings for vB3 really, anything that makes an overabudent use of ajaxx. What hacks do yuou have installed and we will work from there |
Remove any hacks that can simply be done with template edits and template conditionals. There seems to be a rash of them lately. They create server load where none needs to be created. Waste of resources.
And if you do have a crappy host, get a new one. ;) |
Hi peeps
I do have VB shout 2.0 but it is only used for the staff (about 6 peeps) I have somewhere between 100 and 200 hacks install, prob more edging towards 200 :o What can i say, i am a sucker for a new toy.... I dont think my host is that bad, at present i am on a semi dedicated (forum aint big enough for dedicated yet) The best way to see what hacks i do have installed would prob be to look at my profile in the mocp Zachery (thats if it shows in there) or i suppose i could copy and past in between code tags but theres a lot and may be too much info to actually post..... Spose the easiest way would be for you to have admin access and then you could actually see all the plugins ya self :) |
well 200 hacks are not good.
.. You should install micro stats, or enable debug mode for yourself and see what your query usage it is at. Hacks are ment to be addons for exactly what you need, not just new toys you think might be fun. This is what overhacking causes. untraceable problems. |
That pager killed my site.
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Thanks for this thread! I am still new to all of this and was sort of wondering the same thing! I will follow this one closely :)
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I've got 3 whole plugins. |
This is something I definaetly need to work out for my forum that just exploded with new members...
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1. vbShout
2. VBShout 3. VBSHOUT Great mod, poorly implemented. |
Like i say, i have VB shout but is only used for staff purposes...
Most if not all of the hacks i have installed are for a purpose The hacks i installed for the sheer heel of it (to see what it was about ) have been removed..... The reason for all the modifications was purely to have a different forum to the majority of forums that are based on the same idea as mine. The down side is when you look into a hack (and dont know out about coding) you are not aware that this may (one day) cause issuses with server resources/load, this is why i am trying to find at least the top 10 worst hacks for using server resources/load..... I will be supprised if vb shout does cause much greif for me as like i said its only for about 7 - people and poss max 4 or 5 at anyone time! So, other than VB Shout 2.0 and the pager (i have the LPP 1 installed) what else do you know about that could cause our server grief please? |
Can you make a list of what you have installed? There is no top 10 worse, one of your hacks may not be widely used or known but could be causing issues.
200 hacks is overkill, are you positive that you need ever single one? |
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Ok....
I have bang on 200 listed below this obviously dont include any that didnt require plugins etc..... I am surte this should give you an idea though... Also bear in mind that i have a Potal (MKPortal) that may als cause some load as well... Code:
Product/Title Hook Name Active Controlsanyway, Just not had the time to sorce the relevant threads yet for the uninstall/install instructions Hi again.... I have turned debug mode on (not that i know whats what) but i feel 58 querires in the forum index is quite a lot? heres the info.... Code:
Executed 58 queries (3 queries for uncached templates) . (Template Usage) (Explain) |
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I also have an arcade, cmps, gars and journals(which I don't like ;) ) and just some small things, like the welcome header, birthday thread, the webtemplate thing from logician and I think that is about it...maybe some other things, but I am not sure if they are hacks, plug-ins or what? To a noob they are all the same LOL |
Hi m8....
There all hacks, whether there plugins or just code mods.... I have gone through a few and removed them...they wernt important just ones that i was trying out is all.....When i had a look at my installed hacks in my usercp i have 301 installed.....Mine must be one of the mosted hacked forum out there pmsl... |
58 Queries!?!?! No wonder you are having problems with load. My God.
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58 ! - you need to find what's causing so many - that's just insane.
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pmsl... guess what... its gone up lol...
Ive disabled the shoutbox and its now at 60 queries on the forumhome page lol This is why i wanted to know what the 10 top worst hacks are, you aave only told me about the VB Shout 2.0 any more peeps? |
Theres no one worst hack, however 300+ hacks could be disasterous.
You really need to scale back properly. |
Surely there are some hacks worse for queries than others?
for examply people have promptly said about VB shout... The thing is all the hacks i have installed are being used in 1 way or an other, I have removed about 10 - 20 hacks over the last few days, ones that werent really used or were installed to test it out.... I was always led to beleive that the PsiStats were server intensive, so i disabled this only to find no difference lol When debug mode is on what does the (3) mean next to the template, (3) is just an example, There is one thst (74) i think it is? |
Many times hacks can be fine tuned.
- uncached templates - limit what page hacks show on vs. many pages. - use links to open new pages w/ extra info vs. all the stuff on 1 page. I have 30-40 products @ the moment and MAX at 21 queries on a few pages AVJ. 12 on most. |
60 does sound a few 2 many...
what would you say is a 'safe' number of queries. Before I read this thread I didn't even know about debug mode, and I wouldn't have known if 60 queries was good or bad... I've just checked my forum and i'm running 11 queries on forum home, 18 on forum display, and 13 on show thread. How would you rate those figures? Thanks guyz |
So...would 3 uncached templates cause a lot of issues or aint either here nor there?
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I run about 30 hacks (including BOTH arcades) and forumhome queries run at 22 which seems to be fine.
I have an entirely unnecessary but nice hack on the front page that adds 3 queries so if I ever had any issues I could easily drop to 19. |
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Everyone is telling you the same thing.
There is no way in hell that 100 hacks are being used by 584 members. Let alone 200. You need to stop "being a sucker for new toys" and run your site as if you want people to come back. Your forum index looks like you've taken every possible thing you could ever use and just gone "that'll do" and thrown it in. I don't even know what your site is about. A few pointers:- - REMOVE SOME DAMN HACKS. You don't need 200. I have twice as many members, and they don't need 200 hacks. - REMOVE some forums. You have SIXTY ONE forums - and that isn't counting subforums. Of course your server load is going to be high. I'm no vBulletin expert, but I'm assuming that would create at least a few extra queries. For example, do you really need a forum for each different type of Pay TV hack? If you only have like 10 posts in five related forums, stick them together and have 50 in one. It looks busier, which will draw more people in. - Your page is taking 9.8 seconds to be GENERATED. Not downloaded. Not displayed, but generated. That's 9.8 seconds that I have to wait before your page even starts to display in my browser. If I wasn't purposefully trying to check your site out so I could help you out, I would have left by then. In short dude, your attitude pretty much bites in this topic. You say "which are the most server intensive hacks?", everyone says "you have a gazillion hacks, no wonder...", you say "yes, but which ones are the most server intensive?" The answer is simple. It isn't the quality of the hacks, or the amount of resources that each one uses, its the fact that you have 200 hacks that you don't need. Your site could easily run without ANY hacks other than the portal mod. Do yourself a favour and listen to these good people. And I pray that you aren't using a shared host. Think of the other customers who are trying to run their site and are getting massive delays thanks to your love of "toys"...you wouldn't like it. Be responsible. |
bashy, I wanna be serious with you for a minute, so please take the time to read this.
I visited your site, and I wouldn't be suprised if people are leaving as soon as they go there, you have way to many. I saw your thread for a new moderator and the postbit is MASSIVE for you. Like triple the size of any postbit i've seen. I have to agree with what was said earlier, you're instaling everything. I for one would be happy to help you go through your hacks, tell you what I wouldn't recommend keeping, and see if you agree. I would encourage you to think about this, 9 seconds for generation is way to much. I'll help you uninstall or whatever if you want the help, but I wouldn't recommend leaving it as is. Anyway let me know if you want a hand, and maybe someone else would be willing to help. All I know is that there are so many helpful hacks, and you've just gone way overboard. Kurt Barker Administrator - Commodore Life Forums |
"statistics - top 5" ==== this is useless and shit. on most forums, it's always got the same members. drop it.
- get rid of all the moving text, especially in the title. - get rid of the random arcade games box, or at least clean the code and cut down the queries to not display so much info about each arcade game - no one (member or guest) gives a crap about any of that info. - popular keywords and tags - useless. it doesn't make sense what they are, and i wouldn't use them personally if i was a member. - the actual forum listing's tables are ++++ed.. all the widths are wrong sizes, needs a lot of fixing. - go change the settings for Vb - make sure the views for threads are only updated every 'x' hours. |
Hi peeps
Where are you getting 9 seconds from MKPortal M1.1 Rc1 ?2003-2005 All rights reserved Page generated in 0.87555 seconds with 19 queries Thats what im seeing anyway lol, I am taking all your comments onboard and will be removing a good handfull again, some will be gone tonight.... The popular keywords and tags were only installed to test it and see how it works, was never to be kept, not only that since installing this my server load has sky rocketed and has peaked at 16.0% this will be the 1st to go.. Does moving text cause queries? I will be removing the Randome arcade games hack As for the forum listsings, a little lost there, what do you mean? perhaps its the style? Featured threads will be gone! Not sure about the stats top 5 yet The forum is not really about anything specific, Quote:
The reason i asked for the most server intensive hacks is so that i can see if i have them and remove them. I dont want to remove all my hacks but a good handfull that maybe use more resources than others I am taking most if not all comments onboard It is only the last 2 weeks or so that i have had any real issues as such Since turning off the VB Shout the server load dropped, although this was only used for the staff.... Kurt, Thanks for your offer m8, i may just take you up on it if i struggle :) |
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Merge some forums together.
Move all of your sports subforums into a single forum. you've got 20 threads in 4 forums. that could be one forum with 20 threads. Another example The Garage Here you can discuss all aspects of the motor vehicle and bikes You don't need 3 more subforums for specific aspects, merge these all into one. Again, you could probally merge all of your cellphone forums into one. Condense and remove some out of the games section Keep it simple Sony Nintendo Microsoft (that just about covers it) You have alot fo cleaninng house to do. |
I have just this second set it to once per hour :)
So more forums more load? |
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Also I'd feel so confused as a member as to where to post and why. That forum activity hack could be a poteintial problem. |
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MKPortal M1.1 Rc1 ?2003-2005 All rights reserved Page generated in 2.65302 seconds with 62 queries That's an insane number of queries, and too long for a page generation. |
Hi
Thats just the portal.... Must be one of them center blocks causing that!! The forumhome is now down to Executed 44 queries (3 queries for uncached templates) was 60 queries Portal Blocks MKPortal M1.1 Rc1 ?2003-2005 All rights reserved Page generated in 0.56936 seconds with 19 queries Just out of interest in the debug mod you have for example a list of templates and (1) or (62) after the template, what are the (1) & (62) are they queries for said template? I have now removed quite a few hacks, i have been through them all (or there abouts) and removed any that dropped a query or more, I am down to 274 hacks and 39 queries on the forumhome.... I will attempt to do the same for the postbit and other main templates as well perhaps at the weekend :) Server load is at 0.27% :) |
-vbshout
-random smilies in postbit (that almost killed my site) zachary you said vbshout with some bad settings, what would be the better settings then? |
Hi peeps
Ok just found out that the custom drop links that i have in the navbar are creating wait for it, 17 queries :O so, i am looking for an alternative.... Perhaps creating a manual droplink menu opposed to using the hack, would this still cause the queries? If so what would you suggest please? |
17, geez, lol
I don't know an alternative mate, but still you'd be above 40? what does the hack do that you are referring to? |
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