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Zachariah

03-12-2006 09:04 PM

[FIXED] Perhaps it is me

I like the bold red on hack threads.

Release: 16. Sep 2005
Last Update: 27. Nov 2005

I could never figure out why people read backward.
- In my life time.

Month / Day / Year - is the correct date format.

11-27-2005
11-27-05
Nov. 27, 2005

[high]* Zachariah goes back to his cave.[/high]

Logikos

03-12-2006 09:08 PM

Does the setting in the usercp dateformat have control of this?

edit: Nope is doesn't. Looks weird to me. I'm used to m-d-Y

Dreiko

03-12-2006 09:09 PM

Well, is not like that everywhere o.o

For me, Day / Month / Year - is the correct date format x)

BamaStangGuy

03-12-2006 09:10 PM

same

Xenon

03-12-2006 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachariah

I could never figure out why people read backward.
- In my life time.

Month / Day / Year - is the correct date format.

erm, that's a contradiction, as you are reading the dateformat backwards..

as year has 365 days and a month around 30 days either day/month/year or year/month/day is logical, but month/day/year is a random choosen order without a logical purpose...

Nutz	03-12-2006 11:58 PM

Xenon sums it up. Ideally it should be year/month/day giving it a sense of 'aiming in' on the date. The American way really annoys me; if your looking at a site and don't know if its a US or UK site you can't work out the date e.g. '05/04/2004' it should be standardised :)

Thanks,
Mat

Logikos

03-13-2006 01:58 AM

That to me is my birthday. May 4th, 1983. ;)

MorrisMcD

03-13-2006 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveWire

That to me is my birthday. May 4th, 1983. ;)

But wasnt that April 5th he said?? lol

Lea Verou

03-13-2006 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon

Exactly!! :banana:

Milesian

03-13-2006 07:37 AM

I propose we improve on the American system and go even further in our quest for illogical date formats.

How about - y/d/m? You too could now have a birthday of 83/4/5 :)

Logikos

03-13-2006 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveWire

That to me is my birthday. May 4th, 1983. ;)

Not to me. I'm from the US and our dateformate would read that as May 4th, 2004. Reason why this should be user specific, like the rest of the dates on this forum already are.

Paul M

03-13-2006 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachariah

Month / Day / Year - is the correct date format.

Day/Month/Year is, and always has been, the correct way. Only the Americans get it backwards :p

Gizmo999

03-13-2006 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M

Day/Month/Year is, and always has been, the correct way. Only the Americans get it backwards :p

just like driving , they get that the wrong way as well :)

Princeton

03-13-2006 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachariah

it looks green to me :D

It's ok with me. I'm just glad a numercial values is NOT used for MONTH -- now that would be confusing.

Zachariah

03-13-2006 12:26 PM

In an insane society a sane man must seem insane.

It was just a simple observation.
Don’t get your knickers in a bind.

:p

MorrisMcD

03-13-2006 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizmo999

just like driving , they get that the wrong way as well :)

We did it to spite the United Kingdom!!! lol

The Chief

03-13-2006 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreiko

Well, is not like that everywhere o.o

For me, Day / Month / Year - is the correct date format x)

yup, thats me too, its the french and european format, the States use Month / Day then Year, because they are always apart of everybody :P

Basscat

03-22-2006 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizmo999

just like driving , they get that the wrong way as well :)

If we invented the auto, how did you get it backwards when you got it over there? Must have been how it looked through a mirror, or the negative was upside down when it got reprinted :banana:

Is the glass half empty or half full?

Zachariah

03-23-2006 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basscat

ROFLMAO

:cool:

FleaBag

03-23-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basscat

If we invented the auto, how did you get it backwards when you got it over there? Must have been how it looked through a mirror, or the negative was upside down when it got reprinted :banana:

You may have invented the car but I think you'll find there were roads in the UK long before there were any Europeans discovering the Americas. ;)

Zachariah

03-23-2006 12:13 PM

FLEABAG !!!! :D
- hey dude hit me on IM

FleaBag

03-23-2006 01:40 PM

Word up Z! I don't have you on IM hehe... *Checks your profile!*

COBRAws

03-23-2006 09:20 PM

actually, the carriage was BEFORE the automobile :P And no one can tell where the carriage was invented. Anyway i doubt it was in England, because its the only place in the "old continent" where people used and still use, to drive in the opposite direction.

my half cent (??)

Chris M

03-25-2006 05:26 PM

The correct format is day/month/year, and the correct side of the road is the left hand side...

Now while I think forcing everyone to use the correct way would solve alot of problems, perhaps making it a user-selectable format may be less dictator-like ;)

Chris

MorrisMcD

03-26-2006 05:45 AM

Quote:

Did the United States ever drive on the left?
Yes. The evidence we have been able to collect is mostly indirect, but it seems almost certain that in the early years of English colonization of North America, English driving customs were followed and the colonies drove on the left, gradually changing to right-hand driving after independence. Kincaid quotes an English author writing in 1806 as saying, "in some parts of the United States, it is a custom among the people to drive on the right side of the road," implying that in other parts, people still drove on the left. We also know for certain that the colonies farther north along the coast drove on the left well into the 20th century (see the question about Canada below). I have read that the first law requiring drivers to keep right was passed in Pennsylvania in 1792, and that similar laws were passed in New York in 1804 and New Jersey in 1813, but I don't yet have primary sources for this information so it is possible that these states weren't changing sides, but only codifying existing practices in law. Other anecdotes from various sources also support the conclusion that most states drove on the left until some time in the early 1800s. American cars had their steering wheels on the right (the best arrangement for driving on the left-hand side of the road) until the early 1900s (see the discussion of this below).

However, Kincaid is not convinced that left-hand driving was ever widespread in the American colonies. He points out that the colonists were not exclusively English (for example, the Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam, which later became New York, would have been accustomed to driving on the right), and says that the first vehicles used by the colonists were carts and postilion-control wagons such as the Conestoga, which are best driven on the right. Wagons like the stagecoach (best driven on the left) were not introduced until much later -- too late to change the established practice.

http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/

Nutz	03-26-2006 09:33 AM

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History and origin

About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.

In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.

Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road.

In the late 1700s, however, teamsters in France and the United States began hauling farm products in big wagons pulled by several pairs of horses. These wagons had no driver's seat; instead the driver sat on the left rear horse, so he could keep his right arm free to lash the team. Since he was sitting on the left, he naturally wanted everybody to pass on the left so he could look down and make sure he kept clear of the oncoming wagon’s wheels. Therefore he kept to the right side of the road.

In addition, the French Revolution of 1789 gave a huge impetus to right-hand travel in Europe. The fact is, before the Revolution, the aristocracy travelled on the left of the road, forcing the peasantry over to the right, but after the storming of the Bastille and the subsequent events, aristocrats preferred to keep a low profile and joined the peasants on the right. An official keep-right rule was introduced in Paris in 1794, more or less parallel to Denmark, where driving on the right had been made compulsory in 1793.

Later, Napoleon's conquests spread the new rightism to the Low Countries (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg), Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Russia and many parts of Spain and Italy. The states that had resisted Napoleon kept left – Britain, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Portugal. This European division, between the left- and right-hand nations would remain fixed for more than 100 years, until after the First World War.

http://users.pandora.be/worldstandar...the%20left.htm

makaiguy

03-28-2006 12:10 PM

Fascinating as the left/right driving stuff is ....

The most logical, to me, way of expressing the date is year / month / date, as it gradually focuses your attention from the wider concept to the narrower one.

If asked "How long until lunch?" we don't respond "30 minutes and 1 hour" we respond "1 hour and 30 minutes", going from the wider focus to the narrower one.

Y/M/D also allows a sort by date to work.

Jordan17

03-28-2006 12:54 PM

To me, from the UK, MM/DD/YY just seems totally odd. You shoukd start from the beginning and work through.

Second, Minute, Hour, Day, Month, Year, Decade, Century.....

Does this format not seem like the logical one to use? I know in the US (& Canada?) all date formats are like MM/DD/YY and you wouldn't want to change, but for me it seems logical to start from the smallest item (a day is smaller than a month...right?)

As for the left/right side of the road. I don't care about that. Its just the way it is. If it changed, I would get used to it, but its like saying everyone should speak the same language. But language helps derive cultures. I dont think the UK would change this.

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