3.5 Modification Classification
 

The current categories for 3.5 mods of plugins, extensions, and code modifications is useless. People do not think "Hey, I want to install an extension today. I better look in the extension category." No, they think "I want to install a mod that shows reputation comments on a member's info page. I better check the Profile Enhancements board." Do you agree?

Other the the roll over in keeping template mods seperate, I must say I prefered the 3.0 version.

It would be okay if 'plugin' and 'extension' made a significant difference in how hard they are to install, but due to the presence of betas, minimalistic hacks and general variance in quality, the installation difficulty isn't well divided between the fora.

Hence I prefer the 3.0 way.

I have no doubt the staff will come along soon and tell you that it will all change when they upgrade the site (and install the hacks database) - but this has been "promised" for months now, with no sign of it actually happening.

It's going to happen. It's not something that will happen overnight, but it will eventually happen. People involved with the hack database and upgrades also have other commitments and actually have lives (zomg), and we want to make sure everything is perfect before the upgrade - it's a big forum after all. And I thought a hacker like yourself Paul would understand something so simple. But I've lost count how many times you've slammed the staff for not upgrading fast enough... WE'RE SORRY!

Anyway, the hack database will soon change the way the 3.5 mod forums are set out but until then it's staying like this. Some people don't want to install mods that change their source files, so this setup isn't exactly useless.

When I get on vBulletin.org, I do not go to the Code Modifications section. I only go to Plug-ins and Extentions. I like the way it's setup.

Tony, I have not "slammed" anyone - I have stated the facts - the same reasons have now been given out time and time again - vb 3.5 has been around for 7 months now. I have also repeated a number of times - if the people involved are so busy then ASK FOR HELP - the forum is full of coders who I'm sure would be more than willing to assist. :)

... around and around we go, the wheel is round and goes roung...

someone please stop this spam of asking to upgrade...

(oh, yes, a big red banner on top of the forum stating that the site will be upgraded when people stop whining...)

Edit: to me is just a proof that some admins are not working hard enough to admin their own websites... or please open new forums to take care of...

Didn't mean to start anything. I didn't know that an upgrade was in the process. I was just sincerely wondering if the admins of this site thought the current classification was better.

I believe having the coder in charge of the hack database have to explain to other coders what needs to be done, how, and what the end product should be would only delay the project even further. And we're not in any rush either, we knew it would take quite some time for everything to be finished. Anyway, that's not my call.

You stated facts? Give me a break. You honestly think I'd believe all you were doing was stating facts with no personal opinion on the matter?

I wonder what those quotation marks are supposed to mean. Sarcasm? Staff are lying? It's not going to happen? ARE THOSE FACTS?

All your post did was imply to me you think we are lying or making up this upgrade. And in anyone's language, that's some sort of derogatory comment towards the staff, and it's one of many, too.

I think the 'promises' about the hack database coming 'soon' being used as a reason to avoid changes to the hack release forums have been proven to be baseless, unless you really do think every day that the hack database is coming 'soon'.

Either you are getting paranoid, or have a good imagination, is about all I can really say to that rant. In fact, I did type out a long reply, but I really can't be bothered. If you have a problem with me speaking my mind then you know where the PM feature is.

I don't have a problem with you speaking your mind, by all means speak your mind, but when you can't even admit you're speaking your mind and think that when you "speak your mind" you're speaking facts, that's just.. *shakes head*

A hack database is coming soon. Satisfied? We're not lying....

But since you said that at least 4 months ago, you were lying, or at least very misinformed and as far as I know, continue to be misinformed.

I wouldn't mind except you're using it as a reason not to restructure the release forums into something more helpful.

I must say I agree on this one, the 'classification' for 3.0 is much easier to use and find the hack you want :)

Hello,

I myself also liked the 3.0 setup, but I also realize that they have bigger and better things in the works. It's easy for everyone that isn't coding the database to say "hurry up already".

I am a father, a small business owner, and a forum administrator. Which order do you think my life evolves? It certainly isn't around my forum, though I do dedicate a great deal of time to it.

Family is always a priority as is schooling and work. I can understand Paul stating that the staff should ask for help, but the fact remains that too many chefs in the kitchen spoils the soup.

Everyone just needs to relax or: NO SOUP FOR YOU! :P

Would be cool if there were two different types of modes to view them in. But if I had to pick, it would be the 3.0 setup.

I am happy enough with the new setup but like the "Old Layout" (search) feature of the 3.0 section that shows all the posts in all the forums. Maybe it can be renamed to something more modern like "View All". For now I just use my own link https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/search.ph...ays=1000&f=109 :D

Please take "we aren't upgrading fast enough" comments to another thread :)

And I like the current setup for 3.5 better than the 3.0 one :)

Chris

Chris, would you entertain ericgtr's suggestion to have the single forum link at the top of 3.5 mods like you have now for 3.0? That may aleviate some hostility here... and honestly I would like to see it too! ;)

I actually find the 3.5 setup ok for my needs. It's certainly less confusing when deciding where to release stuff.

Did we ever say it was coming in a month or so? I don't think so. We said it was coming soon. And soon could mean a few months. Please be patient.

How long does it usually take to rename and move a bunch of threads? A day? A week?

I think people take issue because every suggestion given in here is met with the same response, regardless of how much time the suggestion would actually take to implement.

A couple of months on the internet? Are you serious? And weapons of mass destruction will be found in Iraq "soon"...

:D

Just to put this into perspective, a company that I worked for 3 years ago have been telling one particular group of their customers that a service would be available in their area soon for the last 5 years or possibly even longer. Therefore, a handful of months is PDQ if you ask me.


(PDQ = Pretty Darn Quick)

I don't think there is much comparison between a telecommunications company and a forum. ;)

Ah, but surely it's implied that the database will come TOO soon for it to be worth considering restructuring the release forums. This is clearly not the case.

Would that be Cable Teletext?, because I'm still waiting for it! :D

My personal opinion is that the 3.5 set-up isn't that much use.
For instance, I generally prefer to avoid any hacks involving template changes because I can't be arsed having to re-do them after upgrading to a new vBulletin version. So I give the Template Modification forum a miss & go to Plug-ins instead, only to find most of them require template changes anyway. Ditto with Code Modifications, etc.

So in that respect, it isn't very helpful

I prefer the 3.0 way of classification. If a hack requires a code modification, I'll just not install it and be on my way.

I prefer 3.0 as well, and I'd just like to point out that vB 4.0 may be out before we get a hack database here. ;)

My dear Paul, sorry to disappoint you but you have got your dates out by a couple of months and it isn't the same company is you are thinking of but one that I worked for before them.

Well you're wrong. Not everyone thinks the forums are constructed in a way that is wrong. And this thread demonstrates that perfectly. When one person, or ten people, complain on a forum with 100,000 members that something isn't the way they like it, the staff are not going to go change it immediately and grovel at peoples' feet. This has come up before - we are waiting for the hack database and upgrade to be finalised and finished and that's that.

While 100,000 may sound nice, the forum only has a few thousand active members, and while most of them will have an opinion, few will bother to post it. :)

And? so what? An equal number of people have posted here saying they're fine with the layout we have now. In one simple line too. Just because they don't shout and challenge everyone who disagrees doesn't mean their opinion is any less valued.

Like I said, a few vocal members asking for change won't make it happen. I think it's time you learn things aren't always going to go the way you want them....

I think it's time you learned that this site doesn't truly have 100,000 members and quit throwing it around as some holy number.

How bad does that sound?

I think it's time you learned... ?!?!?!

Are you going to start chasing members around with a stick now too? Paddle our bums?

:D

yes yes, a pogo-stick!!!

erm....... they might not all be active but the current site stats are

Threads: 75,038, Posts: 690,826, [high]Members: 111,417[/high]

and the most recent member has member number [high]124703[/high]

this one is hillarious...

how to broadcast a forum content... via telecommunication...

Good old confusion causes some great quotes really.

yeah, but like on a porn site, where there is about 50 000 clients, all of them will tell you that it's not them, they are not here, someone stole their credit card and so...

we're not here anyway, you know it, it is completely virtual, we're part of the imagination of someone in needs of power...
(and Brad's beer!)

What percentage of those numbers are "coders"?

It's simple really, know your membership.

Has any suggestion/feedback been taken w/o a canned "hack database/upgrade" response in the last few months? or "we all have lives"? "soon"?

Where's that stick at...

:D

like an old president said: it's not when someone have his head in the moon that we can give him credit... it's when someone have his feet on the ground that we do!

let me check in the garbages, i have some... wait, a little... ah, come on, give me a hand...

hum... we'll have to wait a little, eat some more pogos...