vbseo denied me as a buyer?
 

Ok I see the last vbseo thread was closed I guess because people were not
being nice to eachother. I just wanted to let everyone know about my
unhappiness with them. I purchased the script yesterday, and about 40
hours later I get a private message from vbseo staff saying that they won't
sell me the script because my content is not allowed.

I run a vbulletin community website for people that like Marijuana. :) I'm
sorry if you don't agree with what I and many others believe, but I think it is
messed up to deny someone a script that is being sold to others just
because you may not want my site to be optimized? I don't know the exact
reasoning, maybe because they don't want their link on the bottom of the
page on a marijuana site?

I really wanted to try and see if I could notice a difference, I spent the $150
and now I guess they're going to refund it hopefully since they won't give me
the script.

Is there anything that I could easily do that vbulletin doesn't already do to
make my website more prominent in the engines?

You could try Deans SEO.

But realisticly this is one of the problems that buying from a third party entitles, youmight have wanted to read their rules about what they allow. They believe in not allowing adult topics. Their loss, I do hope someone comes out with somthing the same, cheaper, and open source.

Yep, I agree. That is ridiculous and it is also a form of discrimination if you ask me.... I wonder if they'd feel the same if the forum was about beer or something??? I'd be pissed too...

Seems to me the content of his site is not adult oriented and not illegal. I would understand if his site involved pornography but I guess the people at vBSeo want to push their opinions/beliefs on their potential customers and censor the use which is bad business. It's a shame because it works great...like Zach said I hope someone comes out with the same or better version and of course open source would be nice.

What it comes down to (unfortunately) is that I should've looked a bit closer
at the EULA. That alone was my fault, and that's enough. I received
another PM saying I'll get my refund within 12 hours I think it said. :( I was
so excited about it, but it's really my problem in this case for not realizing my
site was going to be prohibited.

yes and that multiple times!!!

i found that on your website:

google does not allow webmasters to ask visitors to click ads. i would not wonder if google will kick your account. and they will not care about your money... if there are 5 or 5000 dollar in your account, it will be lost if they delete the account.

i would think about that... only for your best.

Mine is close to becoming stable now, I have a few beta testers helping me at my site and all the main bugs have now been ironed out (AFAIK ;))

Uh, I have vbseo sitemap hack on my adult board, now I know why google never is visiting my sitemap. :rolleyes:
@Dean
This would be great, thanks.

Dean, whats becoming stable? Are you releasing something like VBSEO or are you reffering to your other SEO hack?

As for VBSEO, I think that it is a joke to what they are charging for that software. The hack itself is just as much as the Vbulletin software. So would I purchase it at $150? No! Would I try it out if it were only $20-$30, most definetly. If I didn't like it or if it caused to many problems, I would just uninstall it.

It's a bit of a funny one that really, because in some countries it's accepted and legal to smoke it.

Not to mention that some need it for medical reasons. So it is 'legal' for some.

it's not legal in the US for any reason.

Just a shame though, that you weren't able to get it..its an awesome product.

Not true Denver, Colorado it is legal for those 21 and older up to 1 ounce in city limits. Just another reason to call the city the Mile High city :nervous:

It is not about not wanting your site to be "optimized" it is about not wanting their product associated with something they do not agree with or support.

You may not like it however it is their right as a business to choose to do this.

You know... you cry because they wish to "push" their beliefs on others yet you are putting them down for their right to have this belief and too stand up for something they believe in. That is what this country is about right? Someone can make a product, that represents them as a company, and they should have a right to control who uses their product and how the person uses. Whether or not it will reflect badly on their company in their eyes.

I do not understand how this is discrimination. He is not denying them this product because of sex or skin color. He is denying them this product because their site has content on it that he does not wish to have his name associated with.

When it first came out there was a guy denied because he ran an aduly themed site. I too thought at the time it was a horrible business practice and he shouldn't do this. Now however I understand why they chose to do this and since buying it I could not be happier with the friendly support, the prompt response to questions, and amazing features that come with the software. The ease of use is amazing.

Your opinion that it is "bad business" is hardly provable... they seem to be doing pretty well to me. They have my business and support. I could not be happier.

This is not about whether or not it is illegal. This is about whether or not VBSEO wants to have their product associated with something that is of nature as this.

What is a joke to one is Gold to another. It has many features in it you won't find in any other vbulletin SEO hack. It is EASILY customizable and EASILY installed. Not to mention that their Sitemap hack plugs right into this and uses the rewritten urls flawlessly. It allows easy rewrites of all non vb scripts as well as redirecting the archive thread links to the actual thread content, reducing duplicate content and directing traffic directly to the real thread instead of some vanilla plan thread. It has smart filtering for showpost threads and does not allow spidering of printthread urls.

It is slowly expanding into more than just a basic URL rewriting script.

If you ask me, they are violating your Fist ammendment rights somehow. Because for them to deny selling you a product merely on the content of your forums is, in my opinion, biased and i'm sure illegal.

But hey, Marijuana is not good for you so i'm torn....

No rights being violated.

If this were the case select shared hosting and not to mention free web hosting sites would not be able to prevent adult websites from being hosted on their servers. Adult websites are legal yet they have the power to deny them, which they should have the right to. It is their property, their work, and theirs to choose who to provide the service too.

Denver police may not arrest you for less than 1 ounce but you step outside their city limits and you will face possession charges.

Way doubtful..show me somewhere on a official Denver, CO page that shows this, as I used to live in Denver myself, and am moving back there within the next month, and never once heard of such law.

I disagree with most of you. I'm a christian and if it was my script I wouldn't sell it to you either. Its A RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE.

I wouldn't want my service assoicated with things that don't line up with my beliefs. Whatever you believe is your business, but I have the right to chose who I do and do not do business with, so does VBSEO.

You must have been informed about the way this country stands...it is not alright for a company to refuse to sell their products to another person just because they think marijuana is wrong or bad. The law also say Creed..which means your beliefs and opinions..and the customers opinion is obviously he is pro-marijuana..either way life goes on and it is bad business ethics on such a low level. According to you a company can make a product and sell it to white people only and refusing to sell to other races or to only sell to Chritians and not Jews...that is not what this country is about..I really can;t think of any other product online that you buy that give stipulations on what kinda site it can be used on...


From what I was told from a friend in Denver they just passed it I think the begining of this month by majority vote. Read for yourself :)

Click Click Click

I stand corrected..now I guess I can't wait til I turn 21 to be able to drink and smoke the reefer :surprised:

Please, tell me where it is defined by law that VBSEO does not have a right to deny his product to someone that operates a marijuana website or adult website.

Answer me this too:

Why is it that when I make a product to sell, all of a sudden my rights get removed on who I can sell this too and who has my product on their site promoting it. Why must I allow a porn site to use my product and have my name associated with a porn site????

You seem to be confused. Business ethics != law :)

Nope, that is discrimmination based on race which is illegal :)

Exactly

You must not be trying hard: Some Web Hosting sites deny hosting to adult websites and have been doing so for years :)

Have you never heard of Google? Google denies the use of their Adsense program on adult and gambling sites.



Still illegal on Federal level and still going through the Supreme Court with a very bleak outlook :)

It does sound a bit like discrimination, but what can you do? Good luck with getting your forums optimized though.

Wow you got the answer for everything Brent lol j/k...first off read what I wrote again

You don't put hosting on your site you put your site on the hosting...

Adsense is not a product..and you don't buy it :)

Second you said

And now you say nope that is racist and discrimination..well you can't discriminate another persons creed either....:)

You also said Business ethics = Law..I'm not sure what you mean by that..care to explain because last I knew business ethics was how a company is run and how they target their products and services.


True it is still illegal but the ordinance is there to back off the police from focusing attention on marijuana users and go after the real bad guys/girls. The police can still arrest you if they want but chances are they will not.

Do you not buy adwords? Pretty sure you do!

Please quickly review the Adwords terms of service: https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html

Here are some snippets :)
You do indeed pay for Adwords. I said Adsense because it ties in with adwords. You can't have one without the other :)

Also, free web hosting puts their name on your site. Atleast all the ones I have seen do. Geocities etc etc :) So yes they do have their name on your site.


You can't associate my name with a porn site if I say you can't. Really is simple as that. My product. Sorry

You can not force VBSEO to put aside his "creed" and have his company be promoted on a Adult website either.

You figure out where you draw that fine line.

Psst != means does not equal.

You said it was bad Business ethics. Business ethics does not equal law.



I don't like "chances" when it comes to my criminal record. So to me.... that is a pretty dumb ordinance to pass.

You did not answer this by the way ;)

Just because they have the money? Money isn't everything in life you know! Hard to believe yes but true.

Short and simple reply..I gotta get some more work done...

The adwords you pay for do not go on your site..Adsense goes on your site...read my post again

!= I missed it..my bad

it's been fun....:)

Adsense goes on your site.

Work with me here

If google allows Porn and Gambling sites to use Adwords guess what?!?!

If you have adsense on your site... guess what ads will be shown?

If someone came to my site and wanted to purchase advertising for a gambling site then I would turn them away because I do not want gambling ads on my site. I am selling a service: Advertising on my site. I have a write to turn down who I please. How is it any different when someone comes to me with money for a SEO hack and I turn down their money because I do not want my hack associated with a porn site!

and please for the love of god answer me why they must allow their product and their name to appear on a porn site that is against their religion, against their beliefs, just because they want it and have money?!?!?!

i second that!!

is bent the spokesman for vbseo ?
your always speaking up when anyone talks about the bad times they had with the product ??

anyways.. good to hear deans seo product is soon to be out of beta :)

in all honesty, I've been reading a LOT about seo and how to optimize your website, and I've yet to find proof that your site wont get index with static URL's, and for the 150 bill, it's definitely not worth it. I'd rather pay someone who has the experience with this and can seo my/your site, and be more then pleased...

btw i want to move to Denver :D,, to bad the donkeys play there..hehe

Brent, why are you so prompt to respond to vbseo threads? Answer that question please.

Ummm, good for you but what does that have to do with the discussion? Before anyone says it I am by no means anti-Christian, I'm just curious here.

Personally I don't think we shouldn't allow this discussion at all here. vB.org is not involved in this whole discussion and it should be taken to the vBSEO support forums. It is also just asking for another thread that will end up in needless promotions or personal bashing. We will keep a close look on this thread, and it will be closed whenever it shows any signs of getting out of hand.

I have the same rules in my Terms and Conditions plainly posted for all prospective buyers to see. My position is it's my property, I own the intellectual rights to it and am selling you the right to use my property under my conditions. Call it discrimination or whatever you choose, but it doesn't change the fact that it's my property to sell to whom I choose. Some may say this is a poor business decision, but I say it's a poor business decision to have your product associated with certain content. Thank you and have a nice day :)

Same here and I agree totally.

Even though I don't fully agree with all of vbSEO's restrictions and policies, I applaud them for sticking by their convictions instead of turning a blind eye to make more money. In todays day and age thats rare and should be applauded.

is there a vbSEO aftermarket? I'm pretty sure folks have purchased and not used/liked it.

whats the big deal about his site being about marijuana anyhow? its not like he's peddling kiddy pr0n or anything. if its about marijuana being illegal, well there are plenty of places (Denver AND Alaska in the US) where marijuana is legal for personal use. can someone make me understand?

I don't know if their TOS allows for license transfers.

It is de-criminalized in some places but it is still illegal in 99.9% of the US. Either way, my reasons for not allowing my products on site's with that type content are personal;)

I'm talking about my SEO mod which does the same as vBseo. Don't be fooled by their feature list; as half of it (in my professional opinion) is a load of nonsense. At the end of the day their product boils down to targetting keywords via URLs, nothing more, which is exactly the same as what mine does (and mine will do more soon too) :)

And whomever brought the law into this, I'm pretty sure the first ammendment doesn't apply to Costa Rican businesses ;) vBseo is based there.

I love Costa Rica lol :squareeyed:

But ya, I cant wait for yours Dean!

Looking forward to seeing your product Dean :) btw, it's Puerto Rico, not Costa Rica ;)

I detest when people start throwing around "free speach" and "first amendment" rhetoric...

Get a grip and while you're at it, learn to read and comprehend:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

Congress????

What Congress?