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imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920007)
How much new content is too much?

I don't think it matters very much. There is nothing in the Google TOS that says "sites much grow very slowly or else!"

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I am wondering if Googlebot might flag if a sites content (number of pages) after growing slowly for years suddenly grows 10 times over night.
There is nothing in the Google TOS that says "sites much less than 10 times overnight.

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If it might be an idea to add one language at a time over a longer time period instead of over night?
Not really, but you can do as you like.

I suggest to you that you should only add languages from countries with a large number of Internet users first to optimize your traffic.

Also, if you are looking for revenue as a ad publisher, you should focus on countries and languages with a high income per person where languages are supported by the various ad networks.

Most ad networks do not support any language other than English. Google Adsense is the exception as they support over 30 languages, which is really amazing. So, look at the supported languages, look at the statistics for Internet usage by country and language, and look at the economics of that country if you are interesting in publishing revenue.

Hint: Adding many languages from poor countries with small Internet usage at the same time you are adding countries and languages like Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark is not a good idea if you are seeking revenue as a publisher.

KrisP 11-24-2009 08:24 AM

What do you think of the argument that a large language (like en) has more users as you say but has also more pages in that language and therefore more competition in search results. So there is an opposite effect this way. A smaller language has fewer users but also less competition in search results.

imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolbi (Post 1919765)
Can you tell me how to use analytics as good as possible?

Are you running Google Analytics now?

imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920020)
What do you think of the argument that a large language (like en) has more users as you say but has also more pages in that language and therefore more competition in search results. So there is an opposite effect this way. A smaller language has fewer users but also less competition in search results.

Creating and publishing content on the web is no different than creating and publishing content like books. Most publishers publish to larger markets. They are also niche publishers that publish to smaller audiences.

Books are generally published in languages where there are a lot a readers and translated based on the same logic. Publishers do not translate a book to an obscure language thinking that someone will go to Amazon and maybe have an advantage because they are one of the few publishers in that market. Publishing takes both time and money.

On the other hand, you are free to try any obscure, niche publishing strategy that your heart desires and you think is fun, profitable or interesting.

I am telling you some facts, not theory:
  • Almost all major CPM ad networks only serve ads in English (very small percentage in "other than English")
  • Almost all CPM ad networks focus on serving ads to rich, modern, developed nations.
  • Most all ad revenue is from the English language. This is the top tier of languages.
  • Second tier, for global Internet publishing are (in no particular order): French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, etc.
  • Advanced countries in Europe, like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, etc have good CPM rates, some higher than in English, but the number of impressions is small compared to English, so English is where the big publishing money is.

You can easily find this information out on the Internet.

In my opinion, your strategy of targeting obscure languages for SEO or search advantage is interesting, but I would never do it. If you want to do it, go ahead that is your decision.

Also, I don't want to get into a discussion on "which language is better, nicer, more traditional, etc."... I am only replying as to "where the money is" for Internet publishers. The money is in modern large countries with big economics, a high standard of living, large number of educated, technical users, with a high percentage of Internet users.

As for you, you can try any strategy and if it does not work, you can change it later.

KrisP 11-24-2009 10:11 AM

Well, I included swedish and norwegian because these languages are very similar to Danish so the quality of translation is good, which would generate more hits. But besides that I see your point.

So your top ten list (in no particular order) is: English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese and ... ?

Also with regards to the optimum number of languages to start with. Question is if the absolute number of urls beeing indexed are based on a percentage of total number of urls - if this is the case then you might as well choose to show all adsense languages to begin with?

KrisP 11-24-2009 10:27 AM

Seen in the light that it is a violation of Google TOS to create cache artificially beforehand - so uncached pages with many posts will load slowley - would it in any way be possible to load the page post by post - so the first post is shown fast - and then the following posts will be loaded one at a time on the page - so you dont loose users who dont want to wait 5-10 seconds for the whole page to load.

KrisP 11-24-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1894680)
This is a much better way to do this.
I have a script that copies the vbseo_sitemaps and generates sitemaps for about 15 languages, moves them to their own subdirectories (one for each language) and then pings google after each one is updated.

Sounds like a very good idea indeed. Any chance you would share this script with the rest of us?

imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920049)
if this is the case then you might as well choose to show all adsense languages to begin with?

Not us. We never show all language flags. It is suboptimal to have GoogleBot indexing links with little traffic benefit or upside.

I never recommend to anyone to enable all languages on any forum large or small.

Having said that, few people follow my advice. They simply load all the flags without regard to traffic patterns in the Internet.

Keep in mind also that there is a maximum number of links that GoogleBot will index. I have no idea how Google determines what the ceiling is, but I can tell you that the longer you index, the slower the progress is.

For this reason alone, you should index the high priority languages first (expose those flags and create site maps). It is a major mistake to simply expose languages without a plan. Make a plan ! Use Google Analytics to ANALYZE your site performance. Use Google Webmaster tools to optimize your sitemaps.

Review this link and others (you don't need to ask every question here.. do your own homework !)

Top Ten Internet Languages - World Internet Statistics

imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920101)
Sounds like a very good idea indeed. Any chance you would share this script with the rest of us?

Not really..... I have already described the steps to create your own script in this thread. See below....

Please try to write one yourself ( it is really easy ... !! )

If you can't write a Linux/Unix script, go visit www.unix.com and learn :-) You can ask about scripting there and there are many people to help you.

imported_silkroad 11-24-2009 01:52 PM

Here is my prior instructions for writing a script for sitemaps / language:

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Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1867961)
I do not recommend people use the shared mod for the vBSEO sitemap generator for the following reasons:

The mod "interweaves" the language links (link.html?language=flag) in a serial manner, so when you work with Google sitemaps, you have no idea how much of the translated pages have been indexed in your sitemaps.

This is OK, and you can certainly do this "kludge" if you wish, if you are not comfy with a little manual labor and command line performance :D

If you want more control over your sitemaps (so you can submit Chinese language sitemaps to China, etc. and also watch the indexing process of each language) then I advise you to do something like this (what we do and it works great!):

(1) Copy the vBSEO sitemap files to another directory, for example for Korean, you could create a /sitemaps/ko directory and copy all the sitemaps from the ./vbseo_sitemaps/data directory over there.

(2) Unzip all the files with gzip -d.

(2) Edit the index file, sitemap_index.xml and put the path to the directory where you have the specific language sitemaps. You can do this with vi, for example, in 2 seconds, or sed in about the same time or less.

(3) Use sed to append ?language=flag, for example ?language=ko (for Korean) at the end of your loc files, for example </loc> tag, sed to ?language=ko</loc> This takes about 3 - 5 seconds on a big site with a 400K links in the sitemap. ( Update: You can also use sed to add SEO optimized tags in the URL, i.e. www.yoursite.com/ko/link_to_your_favorite_thread.html ')

(4) gzip the files.

(5) Manually add the sitemap -- sitemap/ko/sitemap_index.xml.gz (in the example above) to your favorite search engine webmaster dashboard :D

Well, you don't have to follow our advice, but that is how we do it, and we like it much better than the "interwoven, giant, humongous sitemap" method hack provided so far.

You certainly can do it that way, if you have a small site and don't actively manage your sitemaps. Or you can do it that way if you don't care :p

However, if you want to observe / manage the actual progress of how your various languages are indexed, I recommend you make a sitemap_index.xml.gz for each language, as outlined above. It takes only about 15 - 30 seconds max for each sitemap, so if you use only the top 10 Internet-languages like we do, then it only takes a few minutes, between 5 and 10 minutes manual labor.

Then again, you can use any method you like :D

I am simply sharing how we do it, and it works great. We tried "the other way" and found it "unmanagable" for a site with over 400K links in the origin language sitemap. It take a while for Google to index a large sitemap anyway, so we recommend you focus on the top 10 Internet-languages for maximum benefit :up:

Cheers!

Note, this is really easy to do! Please try on your own and don't make one huge sitemap for all your languages !!


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