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Kolbi 11-16-2009 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1915137)
Always you can just remove from sitemap some translations or all of those - at the end spiders will find it by links on forum, but you have less control then and it can take longer (i think :)).

Which languages do you prefer?
Are there statistics with which language you can get most traffic?

Audax666 11-16-2009 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1915139)
Great to hear :) HAVE FUN with vBET!!! :D:up:

Not yet, sorry:o

Your tag <!--START vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA--> and <!--END vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA-->, works fine for every language expcept the home language.
There, the tag is completely shown on browser title.
I just recognized it after my last post and removed it cause it doesn't look that nice. ;)

And I think I didn't make something wrong because in other languages, the tag does what it should.

CThiessen 11-16-2009 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolbi (Post 1915146)
Are there statistics with which language you can get most traffic?

Hi,
difficult to say.
English on Top (my Forum is German) in total numbers but interstig are:
  • Arabic
  • Hebrew
  • Korean
this are Languages were the people are usually speaking English very well and it might be more difficult to write Wep Pages in thees languages.
So my site is ranked very hight in Google, and if somebody don?t find what he is looking for, on my page, maybe he find something in the Ad?s. :o

And it look like that Google compare that with the other Content of the site.
I do have twice more indexed pages for Portuguese than for other languages.
My site is about Brazil an i ever had some pages and and Post in Portuguese without translation.

Christian

Kolbi 11-16-2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThiessen (Post 1915162)
Hi,
difficult to say.
English on Top (my Forum is German) in total numbers but interstig are:
  • Arabic
  • Hebrew
  • Korean
this are Languages were the people are usually speaking English very well and it might be more difficult to write Wep Pages in thees languages.

I have a German board as well.
Are there languages you never got any traffic?
If you think about percentages of traffic from these languages, how high are they?

imported_silkroad 11-16-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1915129)
At this moment I have information straight from Google that "Powered by Google" should include the logo and I will fit it in default configuration.

Hahahaha. No you don't !! (Sorry, I have been out with friends eating Italian food and drinking nice wine !! )

The email you provided does not say "include logo" and the TOS does not say include logo. It is not necessary to make people afraid over something very small! Be factual !! Also, sorry to tell you, is not necessary to be a "lawyer" as you said, to understand the Google TOS. The TOS is very clear. No logo is required. This is easy to see. What is NOT clear is your email, which says things about the Google TOS that are not in the TOS nor in Google's email you posted.

Protecting people is not the same as spreading "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" .. as I said. Be factual. Post facts. There are no secrets about the Google TOS.

AND, regarding one user being "blocked' .... we have no exact reason they were blocked. There are many reasons that Google can block a user, and without posting the exact reason, you need to be careful not to simple give misinformation, fear, uncertainty and doubt, without facts that do not match the TOS. Hahahaha. Where is the exact reason?? It certainly was not because of a logo or "Powered by Google" .. the forum you are talking about must have done something else seriously wrong !

So far, we have read nothing from the Google TOS or from your email (posting from the forum) that confirms the each reason one of your users was blocked. Maybe they broken many other TOS? Maybe they did many things wrong. It has nothing to do with logos, etc. It is not necessary to go beyond the Google TOS. Google does not block good forums doing "good things"..... Google's philosophy is "Do No Harm"...

Please post the exact reason one user was blocked, according to Google.

Anyway, you say you are "protecting people" but that means you must also be precise, factual and actual about the Google TOS. Posting emotional fear, uncertainty and doubt is not good for anyone.

So far, there are very little fact here....

Anyway, nevermind... if you want to be the mother goose of users and spread fear without fact, that is your right. I hope you will be more accurate about these things. The Google TOS did not change. The fact are not clear why your user forum was blocked. The email you posted said nothing new or unknown.

NLP-er 11-17-2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolbi (Post 1915146)
Which languages do you prefer?
Are there statistics with which language you can get most traffic?

In fact such statistics exists - those are statistics about which languages are most used on the word. I'm using all flags, but some users already wrote about most user languages. So maybe someone will help in this area.

I'm not sure, but as I remember you can find it in wikipedia. If I'm wrong please someone correct me :)

NLP-er 11-17-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audax666 (Post 1915155)
Not yet, sorry:o

Your tag <!--START vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA--> and <!--END vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA-->, works fine for every language expcept the home language.
There, the tag is completely shown on browser title.
I just recognized it after my last post and removed it cause it doesn't look that nice. ;)

And I think I didn't make something wrong because in other languages, the tag does what it should.

I could add possibility to clean not translated area in normal pages, but it will have impact on performance. In most places comments are not visible, so it doesn't metter, but it it is inside of tag attribute, then it is considered as value not as comment and it is shown.

But you still can handle this :D It is enough to add simple condition in your template (note that this is necessary ONLY inside of attributes - in other places it is just not shown by browser):
Code:

<if condition="$_GET['language]"><!--START vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA--></if>
TEXT WHICH SHOULDN'T BE TRANSLATED AND IS INSIDE OF SOME TAG ATTRIBUTE
<if condition="$_GET['language]"><!--END vBET NOT TRANSLATED AREA--></if>

This way it will not be added for your default language :)

NLP-er 11-17-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1915381)
Hahahaha. No you don't !! (Sorry, I have been out with friends eating Italian food and drinking nice wine !! )

The email you provided does not say "include logo" and the TOS does not say include logo. It is not necessary to make people afraid over something very small! Be factual !! Also, sorry to tell you, is not necessary to be a "lawyer" as you said, to understand the Google TOS. The TOS is very clear. No logo is required. This is easy to see. What is NOT clear is your email, which says things about the Google TOS that are not in the TOS nor in Google's email you posted.

Protecting people is not the same as spreading "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" .. as I said. Be factual. Post facts. There are no secrets about the Google TOS.

AND, regarding one user being "blocked' .... we have no exact reason they were blocked. There are many reasons that Google can block a user, and without posting the exact reason, you need to be careful not to simple give misinformation, fear, uncertainty and doubt, without facts that do not match the TOS. Hahahaha. Where is the exact reason?? It certainly was not because of a logo or "Powered by Google" .. the forum you are talking about must have done something else seriously wrong !

So far, we have read nothing from the Google TOS or from your email (posting from the forum) that confirms the each reason one of your users was blocked. Maybe they broken many other TOS? Maybe they did many things wrong. It has nothing to do with logos, etc. It is not necessary to go beyond the Google TOS. Google does not block good forums doing "good things"..... Google's philosophy is "Do No Harm"...

Please post the exact reason one user was blocked, according to Google.

Anyway, you say you are "protecting people" but that means you must also be precise, factual and actual about the Google TOS. Posting emotional fear, uncertainty and doubt is not good for anyone.

So far, there are very little fact here....

Anyway, nevermind... if you want to be the mother goose of users and spread fear without fact, that is your right. I hope you will be more accurate about these things. The Google TOS did not change. The fact are not clear why your user forum was blocked. The email you posted said nothing new or unknown.

In my opinion you choose to ignore all quotes which I gave you directly form Google pages. So to remind you:
http://code.google.com/intl/pl-PL/ap...l#_intro_fonje
"Applications MUST always include a valid and accurate http referer header in their requests."

http://code.google.com/intl/pl-PL/ap...tion/#Branding
"it is important to communicate the Google brand to your users"
And it appears to be important enough to get info from google about this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Google
I appreciated that you've included a note at the bottom that translations are powered by Google, but you should also include "Powered by Google" branding on every page that includes translations from the API

The men gave the link to branding description. And as you can see on page about branding there is link which shows how looks branding from the API - it shows Google logo. And if you read carefully what the man said - on page WAS INCLUDED "Powered By Google" string, but it appears not enough and the men told that there should be "Powered by Google" BRANDING - which is described under the link and which shows Google logo.

So there is no information which I gave and has no coverage in reality. In fact - the reality triggers it. And the reality is that one page was banned/blocked. And as you wrote we do not know exact reason of banning/bocking, but we know that ALL things which I described was considered relevant during unbanning/unblocking procedure so each one of those could be also an reason and if not - still was necessary for unbanning/unblocking.

I understand that you would made other choices with your users. I made my and I'm strongly convinced that it is really good choice - to give my users best solution as fast as possible which will remove from theme banning/blocking threat.

You have full right to think whatever you want about it and also to give your suggestions for future which are appreciated.
Still if you ask questions, then please accept answers, especially when answers are straight from Google, instead of ignoring those and repeat over and over that there was no reason. I understand that you could see no reason, but You was asking about my reasons of my actions and those where already given to you. I see nothing more to tell in this topic. All sources you have included. There is no more.

Great thanks for your advices - I really appreciate it as those come from man who has lot of experience in this area. I totally agree that making people feel fear is not good, but I (I I I) saw real threat here and made MY actions to make my users rally feel safe with new release. I hope that thanks that users can trust to this product as one which takes care about them.

Thanks and enjoy :)

Kolbi 11-17-2009 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1915834)
In fact such statistics exists - those are statistics about which languages are most used on the word. I'm using all flags, but some users already wrote about most user languages. So maybe someone will help in this area.

I'm not sure, but as I remember you can find it in wikipedia. If I'm wrong please someone correct me :)

I wouldn?t find a statistic :)

Perhaps someone can provide one?
Because I?m thinking about purchasing the full version this month.

isatice 11-17-2009 05:03 PM

works like a charm
is there any possibility to add different kinda advertisements for different language pages ?


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