Use configuration :)

Below you will find mail from Google to one site which was blocked because of not fitting into Google TOS. You can set your flags description as you want (that's why I made it configurable ;)) - I only give suggestions which in my mind are the best for users of my mod :)

Yes, that email from Google clearly points to the same TOS as I posted and no where in Google's email or TOS do they require the Google logo.

That is why I am confused because you said there was a "change in the TOS" but there has been no change in the Google TOS.

Also, you said that Google requires their logo or that they will ban the user. That is also not correct. Google's TOS does not require a logo. It requires "Powered by Google." (text).

Having said that... the Google logo is very nice and we use it :D

Also, there is nothing in the Google TOS that requires a referral header during database queries.

This is not in the Google TOS (sorry to correct you). So, this statement is not correct. In addition, when Google blocks access to their API this is not "banned by Google" ... it is called "blocked to use the API".

Sorry, but this is also incorrect. There is no text in the Google TOS that requires the use of their logo. I am confused why you post incorrect information like this. You are normally accurate. Google's TOS has not changed. There is no requirement in the same TOS for referral headers and no requirement for a logo.

It might be "good" or "nice" to add the logo, but it is certainly not required by the "actual Google conditions" (and you said).

This is unlike you NPL-er !! You are normally very factual. Are you under some stress or pressure?

Take it easy!!! :D

I tried to reduce the links. Perhaps my server is really the problem :)
It really a little bit overloaded.

Thanks for the help.
Everything is fine now. :up:

When I see direct recommendation given to forum which was already banned, then I prefer to give good advice to all my users and apply myself, than discuss with Google how they should interpret their own TOS after they ban my page ;) It is simple matter of avoid potential issues which can take much more time that just change configuration of one parameter. + and -... I see much more + in applying to Google request :)

Also please take attention that there was 2 links. And under this one (http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlang...tion/#Branding) you can find:
When your application uses the Google AJAX Language APIs, it is important to communicate the Google brand to your users

And of course you can discuss that vBET is not using Google AJAX API, but CURL, and you can discuss that it is recommendation, but what for waiting till Google ban your forum to make this discussion?...

Yes you have completely right - it is not in TOS :)
Sorry for confusion.


See the source - you have answer from Google to forum which was already banned. I'm just the messenger here - do not shut the messenger. Go to message author if you want to discuss the issue - go to Google. I simply cannot be responsible and cannot explain others position. So if you think that Google interpret wrong their own TOS - please contact Google for explanation.

At this moment I have information straight from Google that "Powered by Google" should include the logo and I will fit it in default configuration. Every user can make own decision about keeping it or not - it is configurable :) I will not put my users in risk to be banned because of unclarity in TOS or wrong understanding of TOS by Google own personnel if I have simple way to avoid any potential issues in this area. This is how I manage the risk. Sorry for confusion - I didn't read whole TOS from the begging - I just used information straight from Google, and still I think that it is wiser to set Google logo than put yourself in the risk of being banned.

Great :)

First of all - it is not about database queries (there are no headers), but about HTTP GET queries to Google service. And you are wrong about referral header.
You assumed that all conditions are in one place - and this is not safe assumption. You can find TOS on other pages too - this particular you will find here:
http://code.google.com/intl/pl-PL/ap...l#_intro_fonje

"Applications MUST always include a valid and accurate http referer header in their requests."

Big letters in MUST are not added by me - it is written this way in Google documentation, so i think that clearly marks Google position in this area :)

I see no problem in correcting :)
Also you are wrong about referral header. You assumed that all conditions are in one place - and this is not safe assumption. You can find TOS on other pages too - this particular you will find here:
http://code.google.com/intl/pl-PL/ap...l#_intro_fonje

"Applications MUST always include a valid and accurate http referer header in their requests."

Big letters in MUST are not added by me - it is written this way in Google documentation, so i think that clearly marks Google position in this area :)

Different word - same meaning :) and same results. And I think that everybody understood it correctly.

BTW - Are you a lawyer? I'm looking one, because some guy stole my code, and I see that you like to use exact words, even if substitute has same meaning, so I thought that maybe you can help me with my issue :) If yes please PM me - thanks:up:

I'm confused why you are still confused - you get exact answer from Google. So if you think they are wrong, please contact them and discus their position. I cannot tell you why they interpret it in such way. But I can tell you that not applying you put yourself in a risk to be banned ("blocked to use the API"). And if you want to know why I give this information to my user, then the answer is very simple: because I care about my users :)

So is there really any issue or it is only about using exact words from documentation and being better in reading it?
You are better :) and I still care about my users, so my recommendation is still the same - use Google logo :)

Reading 2 posts in row about the same + PM, I get impression that it is only about proving some point and It has totally no reflection in reality since you applied Google logo yourself. So what is the real point here, and can we close it?

Yes I said.

Stress - not at all. Pressure - of course yes. Every second counts when my users are in danger of being banned ("blocked to use the API" - sorry, but banned is just simpler ;)), so I made all changes, made tests and give people what makes them safe as fast as I could. I didn't thought to discuss with Google about wrong TOS interpretation by their own staff.

Truly saying I still don't see the point - what is the point of having right when you loose and your forum is banned?...

When people are with me, they are with the man who thinks how to win...

Sounds like commercial :D haha

Booth way?... ;)

You know it best :) Just play with configuration - vBSEO stuff make really good generator and there is lot of configuration possibilities.
Always you can just remove from sitemap some translations or all of those - at the end spiders will find it by links on forum, but you have less control then and it can take longer (i think :)).

Great to hear :) HAVE FUN with vBET!!! :D:up: