but there is no hack that does what this does, and as a result this is the only thread of interest to me. if it doesn't interest you, don't read it.
i've been waiting a very long time for vb3, and now that it's out i see that it still is in the dark ages in regards to moderator empowerment. i want to be able to completely turn over a board to a mod and have them set the colour scheme, set access if its a private forum, post announcements in that forum, and so on. but vb once again elected to overlook this kind of functionality that would be invaluble to a gaming site that hosts clan forums. now gamecrash has written a hack that can do this - finally! - and jelsoft pulls it down just like that with a bs claim of infringement. that's why this is a hot topic and this is why so many people are interested in this thread!

Argl 22 pages.

Please calm down a bit.

I have not read the entire thread, but something i can definitely say:
This matter is beeing discussed right now. It would not change anything if anyone is saying Jelsoft is right or wrong on this issue. I'm sure Jelsoft will ask it's lawyers, to find out wether this Hack is really breaking the license or not.
Depending on that state, things will continue.

May I frame this? ;) I totally agree with that part. Rather than allowing 'every jackass' to have his own forum which is just the x-th forum about one topic and as a result having for example 20 IT-Forums, where every forum of that kind is covering more or less the same topic is not only totally useless, it would even cluster every forum into tons of small communities in which no one knows about the other one ... what a nightmare. IMHO automation of this should never be allowed, but I don't guess, GameCrash wanted to serve such a pupose in any way.

In short: Allowing misuse of this or similar hacks in a form which is the same or similar to Waynes example should definately be forbidden but not the hack in general.

Just wait! :)

this is hot topical debate and as such has drawn attention from all walks of life on vb.org and other boards.People have come to express their views on what they think on the subject of this hack.Maybe this will have a say in the final decision who knows but to tell people to get a life is not on,as people do have the right to an opinion unless that has been taken away in the LA agreement as well :)

(thats a joke by the way - notice the smiley :) )

[high]* lasto is off to find a wife - u did say wife did`nt u trafix[/high]

lol .... wife would be good :), but i already have one

Guys dont get me wrong here, im as interested in the outcome as anyone else and i would use the hack if the situation was resolves successfully :) As i said earlier, i have a copy of the b2 version but i havnt installed it, and wont until i get the final word. Its a great idea and a lot of work has gone into it but there is the 2 main issues that have to be resolved first. aside from all that ...... HACK ON DUDE!

vBHosting, an ability to make someone of a "sub Vbulletin", and that anyone can make it? Personally its kinda of a bad idea for Anyone to make it.

Allow moderator to control the section as per compromise, I like that idea better. but thats my 5 yen. I don't feel like saying anymore stuff that has been WAY over SAID already in a mere 2 days.

I honestly think that this modification is not all that new if you look back at the Moderators having permission to add/remove access masks of users to sub forums thus allowing them to basically admin their own boards. I have a site with several clans/teams and I am sure that more will come that need forum hosting and we supply that at basically whatever costs I cover, thus no one has to contribute if they dont want to so I still cant see how this has crossed that line in the sand that has caused all of this...

Please review this hack and tell me did this also break the lic?

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=28654

James

Moderators having permission to add/remove access masks , not registered users

Theres many VBowners who allready charge other companys for sub forums that they have control over, its been going on for years, infact vb3 in its current raw form with subscribtions makes the whole thing a lot more simpler now.

Dunno perhaps it breaks its own LA

I was thinking of getting a second vb licence to do just this. but now it seems that It may be breaking the LA I wont.

It happens a lot on support forums where, ie software companies sponser or rent a sub forum with in a main site. I think if they was to go after all these the vb licence quantity could reduce by a huge amount.

I fully understand how it breaks the LA to distribute the vb package, but theres many things in the LA that is q2uestionable.

ie. you must not give a third party access to the code without VB team consent.
so there you cannot without consent from vb get a designer to add a style as this would give that designer full access to the admin panel and the ftp where the php is.

You cannot dispose of without consent of VB by way of rent or purchase ?
Well i think legally VB would have to have exceptional grounds to not consent to you selling your licence or even leasing a website that includes avb installation. Therefore they would have to find good reason why a sale or lease was bad to make any legal battle worth while.

One of the main things iv seen licence agreements do is attempt to null an void your statutory rights, in many countries that in itself is illegal and often deems the entire licence or contract null and void.

On a high note anyone read the online nvidia driver download LA ?
If your an international buriness person do not buy a laptop with an nvidia
Travilling internationally with nvidia drivers breaks their LA

Dual booting with windows 2000 and xp.
Not with Nvidia its against their LA no matter if you own both os licences.

Got 2 computers in the house, make sure you dont use the same download to install to both these comps even though the grafic cards may be of different eras, with their LA and unified drivers its against their LA.

Boxed software is the funniest
By opening this software package you agree to the EULA.
errrrm but the box contains the eula infact I may not even get to read it till I start to install.
Please sign this blank piece of paper, Really I wont add bankers draft to it or your house deeds. :)

That is the point... They request the sub-forum and when it is created they are basically moderators with the ability to add/remove more sub-forums for their own little world. How is this any different from any other type of management hack? I have a board where we have nowhere near the time to manage all the sub-forums for all of our users so we use this moderator hack and would not have stuck with vbull had this hack not been available.

I own www.vbhacks.us :) Any bids? lol

Damm just relised it was 23 pages, read it all and i don't see an offical statment from Jelsoft saying it is banned. Hurry up alrighty

lol it took you 55 mins to read the thread?

300+ posts and only 55 minutes.. i'd say that ain't too bad..

someone mentioned Jelsoft approaching their attorney.. if that happens, the attorney is not goign to favor us.. we don't pay his mercedes car payment.. what he would likely say is tell them/ ask them not to use it, disallow it from the site, then modify the La to make sure you CYA.. (cover your ass)

i doubt this hack will be around in it's already existing state.. that said, i want the existing state hack.. not the the toned down, jelsoft version..

and nemisis, if you have enough interest, i personally will buy the license for vBulletin for you to run that site.. but i will need a private forum for my pr0n threads.. :p

The license is the easy part. vBulletin.org probably uses like 1-2 TB of bandwidth or more each month.

Dark Shogun

i have a dedicated server that has a TB of allowable BW per month.. i only use about 15 to 20 GB of that allowable BW..

also, there are some rather cheap hosting venues now that offer a fair amount of space and BW.. so it wouldn't be hard to find a place..

Yeah but thats like $100 (for cheap places) - $600 and up. If you don't have any steady income coming in from the site it could be pretty hard.

Dark Shogun

Topic please.

Oh bother. The self-appointed "topic cop".

If you don't think planning for a hack site separate from Jelsoft's control isn't part of the topic, then you aren't paying attention.

Im starting to get tired of this vbulletin crap. They dont want us the paying users to be able to make the mosts of our boards with so many limit on how hacks can be released and what hacks cant be released. I know of a few nice hacks that cant be released here becuase they decided no. This is a hack site so all hacks should be allowed. One of the ones Im refering to is the thread lockdown hack. This has plenty of good uses within the liscense but yet it cant be released here becuase its main idea was for urls to certain sites. Im getting really tired of this crap.

The question is whether we are going to continue being tired of draconian overseers or are we going to do something about it? Lets get a new site off the ground. We have someone with a domain, another willing to host it, lets continue to see this through.

My post was on the subtopic. The main topic is regarding vBHosting. The subtopic would be about having a site not under the vbulletin.com thumb.

Dark Shogun

Like I said, I have a full dedicated FreeBSD server on a 10MB connection.. I am allowed 1000 GB's of BW per month.. I would be willing to work out an arrangement to get a site up and running.. in fact, have already had a pm to the affect of interest and an offer to help financially to offset any burden of cost.. while i know that no single person can foot the bill all the time, I have to pay for the server every month already.. so it is going nowhere.. besides.. I may find someone who knows FreeBSD inside and out and can help me manage the server itself..

it is running IPFW because of some lamers trying to knock it down from time to time.. but anymore, that's every server out there..

anyway, offer is on the table.. clearly defined..

That is sooooooo cool. You shouldn't have a problem finding someone that would want to open up a hack site.

Dark Shogun

if it comes down to it why not try to work something out with Evb that way we dont have so many splinter sites help keep things consolidated

I'll help in anyway I can as I no longer release my hacks here due to the political crap this site imposes on the licensed users of vb...

Note: If there is another site for vb hacks like vbhacks.us (or evb thats already established) I will move my hacks there...I also suggest those with large hacks have some input or mod status if they are willing to help this through...

Didn't the guy from EVB say that he'd remove hacks at Jelsoft's request? I think we need a little more spine than that.

One other question. Is there a lawyer around who can help the site owner set up the site in a way to avoid personal liability?

Could someone e-mail me thie vBHosting hack? [email removed]

Not for live use, I manage sub forums directly (I don't like handing out admin rights even over sub forums) I just wanna see whatthe fuss is about.

Thanks

I may be able to help out on this as one of my sites is a lawyers firm...let me see if they will do me a favor....I'll get back to you as quickly as possible.

Yes..EvB said they would remove hacks at jelsoft's request..so, hacks like lockdown or this hack would be banned from there as well...so yes, we need a site with more backbone.

I think after all this a few of us would really like to see this hack but I doubt you will get it at least here....the author already stated he won't send it...if you do get it let me know I'm curious as well.

I didn't know that...

[]\[]emesis -> how much do you want for vbhacks.us?

See it live here: http://www.vbulletinmods.com

Don't think he is selling it now DW :) ...think he is looking for help setting up the site...I pledged to help..but am no hacker...can only help with admin/mod/finances.

i didn't realize that. my ignorance. and vb.nl removed them as well. guess we do need another board. i hate to see it but it may be required.

Personal Liabililty can only be avoided in the instance of the foundation of articles of incorporation, or the development into a Limited Liability Partnership.

I really don't think you understand the ramifications of what you think you are trying to do FASherman.

YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR COPY OF VBULLETIN. You are merely the purchaser of a license allowing you to run that specific copy on one server, one domain in one instance. You retain no legal rights whatsoever to modify, alter, change, dispose of or replicate the code in any way, shape or form with Jelsoft's implied or direct consent. It would be *VER* easy for Jelsoft to add some verbiage into the existing licensing agreement stating that any code modifications to their software package are only availible for distribution from their own, controlled websites. This is their right when dealing with Intelectual Domain in the International Copyright Theater.

I decided (in the OODLES of free time I seem to have when I neglect my work) to do some further research into International Copyright law regarding Licensing Agreements, and I'm sorry to say that JelSoft does retain the right under certain conditions to modify the existing licensing agreement and enforce it retroactively on existing clients and license holders. The letter of the law is written to protect the authors, not the customer...as it should be.

Don't sit here and try to stage a little coup. Up until this point, there have been two hacks in dispute, and now everyone is talking about leaving the site....That's great. Let's splinter the community even further so even less can get done.

Without a centralized hub for modifiers, vBulletin will fall by the wayside. Hacks will become more poorly written, you'll have to check five or six sites to get what you want...and those that do not pay for vBulletin will then have access to that which sets our sites apart from theirs.

Think about what you are doing, and please drop it.

No requests of this nature wil be honored. And I wish people would stop contacting me privately about this as well.

Oh hey, check this out:

http://www.vbulletinmods.com/

Its amazing damage you can do with a bit of MyIE2 + Copy and Paste...

Seven forums in 30 seconds. Imagine what someone you banned from the site can do by logging in in the middle of the night under a different IP could do...

FASherman, thanks for the heads up but it won't let me register at this time. If you could send me the hack though i'd apprecaite it.

SpeedStreet, thats fair enough but just cuz you won't does not mean others won't.

Thanks