I've sat here reading this thread resisting the urge to reply, but I have to at this point.

vB4 is good, it could be better if development continued on it.

XF is good, and it is getting better.

vB5, while a great idea was executed poorly at best and is in many people's opinion a complete loss. From a technical standpoint, the internal workings just aren't server friendly and it really doesn't seem to be getting better. That doesn't mean it won't get better, but it will be a long road to make it something viable for use.

IMHO, the better approach for vB would have been to progressively improve upon vB4. But there seems to be a pattern of aborting versions and releasing completely new, incompatible versions every few years. This is what alienates people and makes them fear that by the time vB5 is viable for use there will be vB6 to worry about.

The one thing I agree with is XF's business model, namely the yearly fee for updates. That is a consistent cash flow that fuels development. vB should take a look at that. It would retain customers and insure compatibility as development takes place.

None of what I said is bashing. It is merely my opinion and isn't intended to bash anything or anyone.

You know there is a difference between bashing that you will see constantly on XF forum toward VB just to win sales vs actually pointing out some facts. Facts can be sometime true or misleading but there is no denying in this

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2014/03/63.png

Or this behavior of censoring


https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2014/03/36.jpg

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http://youtu.be/_BMT6BfxR7w xd

I've no idea what these images you keep posting are supposed to signify. From the posts I've seen that you've made over on xf.com you deserve to be placed in moderation..but again, that is just my opinion...actually if you behaved the way you have on any forum I run or administered I would probably have banned you a long time ago - to me you are just looking to keep stirring things - and I don't blame any admin for taking that stance with you.

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The thing that "annoyed" me about vB4.x is they decided to halt development on it just when it was becoming a decent product...it took them so long after release to get it almost perfect then they decided to concentrate solely on vB5 - or that's how it appeared to me.

I really love how you're turning the story around. You know one thing i dislike is when someone runs around in a circle, it becomes tiresome, read the 2nd page of this topic. Certainly you don't encourage this sort of practice i.e., censoring, bullying and bashing. You either stand aside or don't support it and there are others who will support it but they have to admit it so we can all be clear about it.

And since you know me so well, can you tell me what did i actually do wrong for my account to be restricted for several month without me knowing? Better quote how i behaved on XF based on my posts. I only found out about it few month later when i tended to reply to a liar, one of XF staff Brogan.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2014/03/63.png

And the 1st pic is a solid prove from XF staff that they are aware of bashing VB, individuals, competitors and sites and they have allowed it in the past and tried to tighten it later but it appears to be going and going. It is good thing that it is there for a prove so we don't have to go an extra mile just to prove the point that XF loves to bash VB and XF staff allows it and censor any critic against XF.

Ok we're done here, next time, please reply with backed factual information instead of just throwing words around.

I will make your job easy Gemma, here is my entire thread history on XF.

http://xenforo.com/community/members/katieh.25651/ Look up my threads/posts
http://xenforo.com/community/search/4887300/ (you have to login to look up the url, XF loves to restrict member's threads from appearing to guests - yet another bad SEO may be)

I want everyone to see how these guys love to censor those who will criticize XF. I have nothing to hide, they do, and Gemma won't find anything in my posts to indicate that i actually acted bad and gave XF plenty of troubles for many month, you know throwing words around that are false isn't funny, it is bad. If you say something, you should back it with facts.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2014/03/36.jpg

Now you know the truth about XF.

Wow! you came back.

Argumentative much?

How ironic though. If you were a non-verified license holder here at vB.org -- You'd have minimal to no access to post in the support forums.

Why you'd insist on posting over at XF.com, when you obviously abhor the product and the people behind it, is beyond me. You have no XF license. Your obvious intention is to bring negativity into the XF forums. You are a shit stirrer.

I agree with Gemma. I'd have banned your butt a long time ago.
The reasons:

1. You own no XF license.
2. The pot does not need to be stirred.
3. You have no business here!
4. Bye. Holla back when/if you become a license holder.

J.

Adore XF vs bringing negativity ? Do you even see how contradicting you are? like seriously. Sorry i am not a hypocrite.

And I am not talking to you now, I was talking to Gemma, better work on your logo design instead of putting fake words https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....1&postcount=63 it is offensive to web design when you use complex words that aren't even justifiable. This actually tells me few things about your character.

I like the way your brain works, but i think we are going to go for something a little bigger --> banned = no license holder, you're amazing :0)

You've proved enough, i am done with you.

If you want to say that you have issues, that is fine, but i don't.

I've watched personal attacks through this entire thread and I'm surprised it's still open. I would have closed it or at least deleted a hell of a lot of posts and warned the posters by now.

The thread has taken an ugly turn from what I think it's original intent was.