Dumb post of the month award for this one.

People have different tastes,all forum platforms have skins that some people dislike, starting flame wars over things like this is plain stupid and leads to threads getting closed.

Well said, sir. ;)

In your first post you were saying you couldn't see why people thought the script was 'so amazing' and in your next post you say

There is a difference, here. If it's the colour scheme you don't like then that's totally understandable as it's utterly subjective (though it's scientific fact that there are rules you can apply to combinations of colours to produce results which are preferred by more people).
And you might not like the way some things are laid out, and the same applies.
In both of these cases, it's possible to change these style elements of the site as they're cosmetic.
Your first post criticising the script, however, implies that you don't like the way it works and this is difficult to understand since it's so much better than vB. Still a subjective opinion, yes, but come on!

I don't want to fight either, but posting unqualified criticism is likely to provoke a response, don't you think?

Agreed. Latch criticised more than the style, though.

I also understand how some people might not know or appreciate the history of Kier, Mike and Scott. They were the key developers who were responsible for making vBulletin the world class software it was.
They have lots of loyalty for that reason. So when there is much fuss about what is happening at Xenforo, for many people, myself included, what we are seeing here is, in fact, what vB4 *could* have been if the trio and the other developers, being the most valuable asset of Jelsoft the company, had been used wisely by the new management. Instead Internet Brands did the worse thing possible and elbowed them out of the door. Scott has taken a different career path, but Kier and Mike have done what they do best, and in my opinion better than anyone else. And that is make forum software.
I hope this explains why many peoples' loyalty lies over at Xenforo even though, like me, their business currently depends on vBulletin.
Now can't we all be friends?

Please don't mis-lead people into thinking XenForo is something it is not.

You keep saying XenForo is so much better, yet, you have failed to give a valid reason as to why. Sure, XenForo may have some features that vBulletin does not have, but look at the features vBulletin has that XenForo does not have.

Personally the only thing I have seen on the market that is better then VBulletin is IPB.

hehehe , i will say ... they already have done a nice job for the skin.... rather the default skin of Xen is much better than default of vb , we may customize everything , thats not a matter of concern

The Matter of Concern are : -

Too much of JavaScript usage
Too much of animation tags usage
Really i don't see a Proper CMS , in Action , vb4 had a bad , BUT HAD A CMS to Use
The Use of Widgets are Unavilable
No Additional Feature which will make It a bit different from vbulletin 3/4 ... really to say
No Image Gallery
No SEO Optimisation or use of Chronical URls
No Preset Sitemap Present
No Tagging Option prsent
No FaceBook/Tweeter Integration Feature Like that of vb4
......... these are only a few features

FOR These to develop a be a "vBulletin Killer" .... will take a minimum of 3 - 4 years may be much more remember vbulletin is what you see have done 7 - 8 Years of complete work . and now it is the best in it's market

I will only welcome Xenforo as a Competitive that Kier has made it , and now we will witness a new vb5 , Completely New System , much Simpler and Super ..... thats why i welcome Xen so that vb will now be greater than that

Where have I said it is something it is not?
I'll tell you why it is better. Because it is coded better. I have seen it.
It's brand new software, not even available to use yet, so of course it does not have anywhere near the necessary features. It's the potential that you are missing.

Maybe if you actually read what you are posting, you would see how you are mis-leading people. Anyways, the only people I actually see using XenForo is new communities or Kier fans.

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Well, I'm done talking in this thread.

P.S. If you are so dissatisfied with vBulletin, stop using it.

How can you say it is coded better when they same people coded both vb and Xenforo? That argument is moot.

He probably means that with 8+ years of knowledge from the start of coding, they are doing things different then they ever could do with vBulletin where existing code had to be taken into consideration and even the current database design and large number of external applications.

PS Also remember that they where in the team that set the way towards vB4 as it is now.

No SEO optimization? Clearly you don't what you're talking about. XenForo is SEO'd out of the box. In fact it's SEO'd so well that there's really no need for an external plugin like vBSEO or similar. That's something I can't say about vBulletin, even the 4.x series, embarrassingly.

I mean if you can shed light on how you came to that conclusion I'd like to know. Because as a developer, I see: use of H1 title tags, semantically correct layout structure, auto generated meta description, and canonical URLs with 301 redirects.

So if you can explain how XF is not SEO'd properly then perhaps I will take your opinion seriously ;)


I'm not standing beside XF just because of Kier. I've been with vB for (7+! years) since the 2.x series. Fact of the matter is vB has slipped up as of late, quality control has gone down. The latest 3.8.x security exploit is a prime example. These factors are what prompted my decision to switch, and because of the potential XF offers.

BTW I see tons of active devs on the XF forums, many of them eager to start developing plugins for XF. The script has tons of potential - as others h ave pointed out of the reasons why is that it's not "weighed down" by old technology. vBulletin has been in dire need of a rewrite, while XF uses an entirely new codebase, designed for modern tech. Sure, it may not be "all there" yet in terms of a feature-set but that's the least my worries. You need to look at it with an open mind. From what I've seen so far, Kier seems intent on developing this software with performance, usability, and scalability. That makes me really excited. vB on the other hand is scrambling to fix bugs with each new release, oftentimes breaking other functionality in the process. The state of vB is a real drag right now. Maybe it will pick up in due time. But I'm not willing to wait. The 4.x series still has yet to reach the quality and polish of 3.8.x, six months later..