Originally Posted by peterska2

Yeah, I dream in div's classes and tables now!

Originally Posted by peterska2

I even catch myself talking in if conditions from time to time. I did in the supermarket on Friday with my Dad.

Dad: What do you want for tea?
Me: if chips then chicken else lasagne
Dad: You what?????

Originally Posted by peterska2

I love diging out some of my really early stuff and laughing at it. Maybe one day I'll be able to stop laughing long enough to see about making it work with 3.6 (I won't get it done before then, I can promise that) and making the code all pretty like I do these days.

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

is the code just going to magically appear? There's a far more limited supply of coders willing to release their work(especially good coders) than there are people needing code.

I'm not saying treat coders as if they're better people for knowing how to code, I'm saying give them some perks, show some more appreciation. Don't expect code to be written for free, don't expect more people to come and replace people who have left. If people feel like their contributions don't mean anything or don't make a difference than they will in fact leave.

There's so many members that seem to think they are entitled to custom code, 24/7 support for all their questions and problems and that everything should happen on their schedule. Maybe there's some misunderstanding with many members that think the coders here are employees or something?

And no where in my posts did I refer to sucking up to coders or trying to become their buddies, etc. As you said, I am here for the code, but I'm not ignorant, I know there's a person on the other end who has to write the code. I don't have to kiss up to them, but I should respect the work they've done, the time they've put in and the fact that they're willing to share it with me.

As far as the private forum thing, why is that such a big deal? Do we even have to know about it? Do you have a forum with some sort of staff section that only you have access to? Does that give you an elitist attitude? Maybe there's some things that coders should be able to discuss behind closed doors, like how to deal with disrespectful members, pointing out security problems in a hack or even reprimanding someone for an elitist attitude :p

Originally Posted by noppid

A community of non coders can not grow into a community of coders if the coder discussions that they may learn from are hidden.

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

There's still forums to talk about coding which are open to everyone.

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu

I don't think graphics is the main reason people flock to org to be honest... you can get them anywhere *shrug*

Originally Posted by Ohiosweetheart

graphics is a BIG reason why quite a few vB users come to vb.org

Originally Posted by noppid

So what!? If they only people taking there are the have nots and the haves are hidden behind closed doors, how does that inspire community participation?

What it does is leave a group of people out in the cold hoping to be tossed a bone when they need it by the other group. Maybe if they could read the 1337 coders forum they could just read and solve their own problem?

What's the big secret?

When the flow of information is hindered, the big .org community idea is meerly propaganda.

Originally Posted by noppid

Furthermore when the staff incites the peanut gallery to play as minions, playfully in spite of a serious thread, making light of the subject for entertainment, the writing is on the wall.