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Rein Masamuri 01-26-2004 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuraFire
Gonna be? as far as the hack itself goes, it's already much bigger ;)


Faranth: I wouldn't call it "just fine" when we're forced to use workarounds for some issues. Just like how you shouldn't call the way IE renders pages "just fine". :p

Fine then, if you want to be literal:
1) Its a bigger hack both by both code size, and scope
2) The code is more efficient (partially from vB3's optimizations now)
3) It makes more sense than vBHacker
4) Can you say Joygasm?

KuraFire 01-26-2004 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rein Masamuri
...
4) Can you say Joygasm?

ROFL! https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2004/01/3.gif


Quote:

Originally Posted by squawell
im running 4.32 on that server.tomorrow ill use another computer to test this

if have any result ill post it here let u know!! thankz..

Thanks... I don't really know what's going wrong, but I'm guessing it's a newlines issue on the .htl file on your server.. Either that, or your PHP 4.3.2 is giving problems on Windows, and you may want to upgrade that...

Mephisteus 01-26-2004 01:09 PM

almost 1000 posts btw Kura :) Let me be the first to congratulate with you

PS
Hackers, make use of this :)

Princeton 01-26-2004 01:28 PM

here are some issues relating to the htl:
In the EXPORT YOUR SETTINGS TO XML page...
Upon clicking CREATE XML FILE, the sites' style is switched to the first option on the STYLE dropdown (which in my case is not the default style).

On the file edit section, there should exist an option to order the edits. For example, if a permissions based hack is being created the first step introduced should be init.php. This will produce a visual flow to the edits.

I would also recommend ...
Adding a dropdown with a predefined "Difficulty rating to install this Hack".

An alternative to allow hackers to create a non-htl installer (a standalone) - for users who prefer not to save this type of data in the database; and, for users who prefer not to install/use the htl. Yes, there will be people that will not want to use the htl - for some people the htl will be to complicated. Never assume anything.

Other than the above, the HTML is a nice piece of software.:up:

Princeton 01-26-2004 01:37 PM

one more thing that I forgot to mention ...
the ability to view XML FILES before installing (within the installer). This will allow users to visually confirm that there is nothing harmful in phrases/templates/etc.

I like to view all files before adding/installing into my site.

KuraFire 01-26-2004 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princeton
here are some issues relating to the htl:
In the EXPORT YOUR SETTINGS TO XML page...
Upon clicking CREATE XML FILE, the sites' style is switched to the first option on the STYLE dropdown (which in my case is not the default style).

I'm not sure what exactly you mean... Do you mean that it somehow changed the style setting for you when you went to create an XML file?

Quote:

Originally Posted by princeton
On the file edit section, there should exist an option to order the edits. For example, if a permissions based hack is being created the first step introduced should be init.php. This will produce a visual flow to the edits.

File edits are currently ordered alphabetically from root perspective, and then linenumber. Adding a display order for file edits is possible, but unlikely to appear in the 1.1 version (because all 1.0 HTL hacks might become incompatible with that, then).
I think alphabetical makes the most sense, too. Changeid's are relevant, that way, and they can help you search out file edits for hacks. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by princeton
I would also recommend ...
Adding a dropdown with a predefined "Difficulty rating to install this Hack".

An alternative to allow hackers to create a non-htl installer (a standalone) - for users who prefer not to save this type of data in the database; and, for users who prefer not to install/use the htl. Yes, there will be people that will not want to use the htl - for some people the htl will be to complicated. Never assume anything.

A drop-down was considered, but I decided against it because I'd have to cater to too many variations. Plus, I figured that sometimes people would want to make some mini-comment in there, like "Easiest ever!" or "well, good luck!". This gives them the freedom for that.

A non-HTL installer would defeat half the purpose of the HTL, so there will never be one. Installing non-HTL hacks will make upgrading your vBulletin difficult; using HTL-hacks only will ensure that you won't have any problems upgrading to the next version of vB.
The HTL was made to bring order in the chaos of installer textfiles. Having an option to make those would be extremely counterproductive.

People who don't want to use the HTL, for whatever purposes, will just be at a loss with all of my hacks. But so far, nobody has found the HTL complicated, in fact, I've been surprised at how userfriendly people have found it. During development, I often figured that "oh damn I'll be answering a lot of questions about this part..." but so far, none of that! On top of that, there is not a single good reason not to use the HTL, and there are dozens of reasons why it's much better to use the HTL exclusively.


Quote:

Originally Posted by princeton
Other than the above, the HTML is a nice piece of software.:up:

psst, HTL :D



The ability to view XML files is one that I'll have to look into. It would require the writing of a `stripped-down` XML parser for each of the XML types...
I'll think about it :)

Zachery 01-26-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuraFire
I'm not sure what exactly you mean... Do you mean that it somehow changed the style setting for you when you went to create an XML file?


File edits are currently ordered alphabetically from root perspective, and then linenumber. Adding a display order for file edits is possible, but unlikely to appear in the 1.1 version (because all 1.0 HTL hacks might become incompatible with that, then).
I think alphabetical makes the most sense, too. Changeid's are relevant, that way, and they can help you search out file edits for hacks. :)


A drop-down was considered, but I decided against it because I'd have to cater to too many variations. Plus, I figured that sometimes people would want to make some mini-comment in there, like "Easiest ever!" or "well, good luck!". This gives them the freedom for that.

A non-HTL installer would defeat half the purpose of the HTL, so there will never be one. Installing non-HTL hacks will make upgrading your vBulletin difficult; using HTL-hacks only will ensure that you won't have any problems upgrading to the next version of vB.
The HTL was made to bring order in the chaos of installer textfiles. Having an option to make those would be extremely counterproductive.

People who don't want to use the HTL, for whatever purposes, will just be at a loss with all of my hacks. But so far, nobody has found the HTL complicated, in fact, I've been surprised at how userfriendly people have found it. During development, I often figured that "oh damn I'll be answering a lot of questions about this part..." but so far, none of that! On top of that, there is not a single good reason not to use the HTL, and there are dozens of reasons why it's much better to use the HTL exclusively.


psst, HTL :D



The ability to view XML files is one that I'll have to look into. It would require the writing of a `stripped-down` XML parser for each of the XML types...
I'll think about it :)

while i belive it makes it slightly more diffucult i dont belive it makes it so much harder

to update my hack vBXirc all that was needed to do was run the upgrade process in the file it self which was 2 clicks :P

KuraFire 01-26-2004 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faranth
while i belive it makes it slightly more diffucult i dont belive it makes it so much harder

to update my hack vBXirc all that was needed to do was run the upgrade process in the file it self which was 2 clicks :P

So your vBXirc hack does not have any file- or template edits, then?

Princeton 01-26-2004 03:10 PM

yes, it actually changed my style settings. Upon logging-out, it reverts back to the default.

about the dropdown ... that was my point you don't want people to put anything in there; if you want to allow people to include an optional note then you should include an additional option (input). It is easier to view EASY/MEDIUM/HARD.

yea, I didn't think you would make an option for a standalone installer. The question now is would a hacker create two versions of their hacks - a non-htl and a htl version. If a hacker wishes for their hack to be installed by as many users they would be smart to create a non-htl version. Not everyone will install the HTL especially if it's not needed.

Anyway, I do agree with Faranth. the htl would make it more diffucult (more work) for some hacks.

Zachery 01-26-2004 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuraFire
So your vBXirc hack does not have any file- or template edits, then?

it has 1 if not 2 file edits and no template edits :) all my templates are stand alone


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