Except, there's no debate. It's bad. Really.:DRight, because there's nothing specific here, that meets the general meter you referenced.

Fogging the lenses and muddying the waters is usually the result.

The real question we should be asking? Which IB employee's sock account, the OP is.:D

Sounds like we're beating a dead horse here. vB 5 has problems and it's hard/impossible to make mods for it.

I'm upgrading to vB 4.2.3 as soon as my other admin can get away from his busy schedule and I'll see if the new version has all the same problems as 4.2.2. I've already collected documentation on the edits I've made. I just plan on using vB 4 indefinitely. Between my understandong of how vB works, my other admin's superior coding skills and the expertise here on vB.org we ought to be able to keep up with any changes in PHP that come down the road even if IB/vBulletin isn't interested.

We need to pool all the fixes and edits needed and gather them into a single concise file and keep updating it as needed to keep up with new versions of PHP.

What we need to do is form the vBulletin Underground to take matters into our own hands and keep vB 4 running forever.

I'm not going to bother with bug reports any more. I spent a good deal of time tracing one down and it was scrubbed. Hell, maybe I was hallucinating .....

I am with you nerbert, vB4 for life, and we defiantly need to keep it going.

Of course, that tends to happen if people make light of the desaster vB5 really is, by telling people thats just because "vB5 is very new". Desinformation like that sure will not help people to make an informed decision, and people 'round here tend to set that right.

I presume that's a reference to what I said in a previous thread. I said that because I hadn't realized it had been two years already. Not because I was making light of anything in particular.

No names, not necessary. But if a person is uninformed and makes wrong statemetns (and this is not meant to be insulting in any way, no personal deficit or such, it happens to all of us), then it will happen that others contradict that.

Monsterfishkeepers moved to xenforo and RC stayed on 3.8. There was a thread on The Admin Zone started here: https://theadminzone.com/threads/sev...o-vb-5.131164/. A lot of people thought that this post was a joke, but it was not. I was just pointing out that a large forum was moving to vb5 and i thought it was funny that a lot of aquarium sites were moving to vb5.