That was a decission made to have a shorter beta-period, but with a higher quality of testing.

Man that sucks for the timetable. I think my owned license updates will expire before then.

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Yeah, who would want an open beta test field where thousands test a product anyway.

Better to test on a few dozen, a hundred platforms at best, because the rest of us are too simple minded to report bugs anyway.

Yeah and its also great not to release in beta so that all the mod authors will have to play catch up on changes, I mean after all a bland, default Vb is a happy Vb.

Good call !

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Apple OS X versions are also only beta tested by a very limited number of users. Do you find this OS to be less secure or bugfree?

It all depends on experience of the new devs, and of course the quality of the testing.

It can go wrong either way...

BTW why would you want to beta test software on a production board anyway? I stopped doing that since 4 years ago.

To each his own I suppose.

Not fighting the issue just stating an opinion.

Beta test should be open for all because more people test it more bug will be detect.

I agree, and those people who will need to re-create many many sites design wise will be behind the gun, while they could release a beta and all the coding could be completed while they test and test and test.... This really sucks for designers and coders of modifications.

It looks like there will be many many boring stock vb4 sites out there for a while to come....or people just won't upgrade until everything catches up.... which would hurt vb sales wise.

<a href="http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/web/1283695509.html" target="_blank">http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...283695509.html</a>

Hmmm . . .

Nothing new. They have been hiring new personnel all year to work on vBulletin. I believe there are actually 3 or 4 positions available still for development.

I'm sorry I have to respectfully disagree with this comment. While I understand having what you all feel is the best testing candidates testing the Beta, I think you are also forgetting that most of the people who have had vB for years and have been active testers, designers, and programmers are now left sitting and waiting. I have a site hinged on the release of vB4 and tons of things to convert from 3.8 to 4 including mods I have posted here on vB.org. I would love the ability to get ahead of the game and start coding and getting familiar so that I know what to expect. Now I am forced to just go running out of the gates with 4 when it is released and quite frankly I will have limited confidence in its quality upon release (kind of like how people say never get the first rev of something.)

This thing that has always made vB the best is its community and IB has totally stripped the community away from vB. All we are now are customers who give them money, we no longer have a say in the product, and its quite clear that they don't want our feedback either.

I know the vB vs IPB thing comes up all the time but maybe IB should take some lessons from IPB's new customer service. Like there open Beta and there Skin contests.

Just some advice from a long time user who sees a lot of familiar faces here fed up and frustrated with the "New vB".

Also one more rant... I know its a dead horse but this delay is not fair to us. You guys made a commitment to your customers and instead you have closed down all discussions on vb.com for things like this and have left us almost totally in the dark about the development of vB, the testing, pricing, and now the release.

Business is business, but this is not good business guys.

I mean this as respectfully as possible.

So beta or alpha relised?

Huh? From what I heard, it's:

1. Alpha Testing is fully on private boards by private testers

2. Beta Testing is for the people who got accepted into the beta testing program to test on public forums.

3. Final release is for everyone. Not that I agree with that strategy.

There was a new update on vb4 yesterday:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...86#post1767786

Exactly.

Up to now ... There is noway for administrators to limit visitor message on 3.8 versions ...

Any user can post Unlimited number of visitor message! and there is noway for Administrators to mass delete them !!

There are a lot of settings and tools for Private messages ... but there is no way to mass delete or limit the visitor messages ...

for example visitor messages can be stay in forums for years !! and can be more than forum posts ... and take more database than posts ...

Would you please plan some kind of tools for admins to limit or mass delete the visitor messages for vBulletin 4 version ? ( similar to the tools that exist for Private messages ? )

Thank you

You can limit them by usergroup. Individuals can also limit their page to friends and contacts only.

You can delete all visitor messages left by a single person from the Quick User Links dropdown on their user profile in the Admin CP.

You can see all new Visitor Messages from your own User CP in the moderation section at the bottom of the left hand navigation. Standard inline moderation options are provided. You can also see moderated and deleted visitor messages from the same area and either approve or delete them permanently.

All of these are currently in the current version.

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Just read through that!

Thats ancient history now, and vb.org is not the place to discuss it.

So alpha starting in 15 agust?

To delete a single user's VMs or Social Groups discussion messages are very time consuming. That is the worst idea I have ever heard. -> To go around to everyone's profile and delete them or have the user delete them for you. Not very many users care about how much the site costs YOU. :cool:

Pruning visitor messages have been suggested here on vBulletin.com:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276470

and here (by me):
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313546

It has been a growing concern and most administrators do not realize it yet how much these visitor messages or social group dicussion messages are growing one's database. hope the links help. :cool:

Well for Visitor Messages, you can go to the User's Profile in the Admin CP and select "Delete all Visitor Messages sent by user" of the Quick User Tools Menu.

I hope you integrated some PM attachments system in vB 4.0 because that is really necessary

Hi Wayne Luke, thank you for the response in trying to resolve the dilemma we are having. The comment is helpful and very much appreciated. :cool:

Even though one has to login through the AdminCP, the Administrator still has to go to each individual profile and do a delete of all messages. Site Administrators do not have 10 users they can quickly go and delete, but hundreds, thousands, or tens-of-thousands of users you would have to go and individual delete Visitor Messages.

I do not think any of us want to delete all of them. The solution we are seeking is trimming back 20-100 most recent visitor messages, for example. :up:


This reply might help clarify what is being requested. :)

Yeah, that is a completely different suggestion than what I quoted which is why I quoted that portion only.

Personally, I see no need to limit visitor messages. They take up very little disk space and use very little bandwidth. However it would be easy for a programmer to create a simple cron job to plug into vBulletin. That is why the scheduled tasks system is modular and expandable.

Will it be possible for Vbulletin4 to be able to send visitor messages to contacts/friends only, all in one go?

Instead of going into each individual profile and writing a message.

Or is this more of mod/hack thing??

For such questions please post on vB.com.

Thanks for new version

Marco, vb.com is Virtual Banks.

Great job

there is an idea which you can (( ad a reason if the thread moved from section to another... it would be great.. the idea its like when we delete any threads we have to put the reason))

He shorten it. I'm sure he meant, vbulletin.com.

And vb.org is Victory Baptist Church. It's just an abbreviation we use around here.

Any update on how the Alpha is going lately?

This should be good.

If you make it too easy to style though, us vbulletin skinners will lose our buisness' because everyone will be able to do it all.

Never the less, it should be good.

Cant wait :)

so is vb 4 gonna come out this year or what? i dont want to buy a bunch of licenses and then have vb4 come out and they are useless

We don't know when it's coming out, but as long as you have a license, you can upgrade for free, PROVIDING that license is current.

I wouldn't be surprised if vB4 goes into production this year.

However, just because you can easily skin, doesn't mean you skin well.

Aint that the truth.
I can hack a skin to death, but designing one? Bah
Back on target, this year? Possible. It'd be very, very nice to see!!! Of course, I'm biased, as if it comes out in the next year I'll get it for free (due to licenses being renewed, etc), but still ;)