The fact that Jelsoft and vB.com staff have meetings to discuss vB.org in the absence of the vB.org admins and staff reflects the lack of consultation and direction that vB.org staff gets from Jelsoft. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I'm glad a potential meeting may occur at some stage between Jelsoft and the vB.org staff.

I think an analogy more apt than the grocery store one would be that of a pot-luck dinner at a church that has gone very, very wrong. In a pot-luck dinner, every family brings a dish of their favorite food to share with the group. People eat a bit of this and that and talk and maybe swap recipes. There is no menu. There are no waiters or short-order cooks.

Now, imagine you take your dinner to the pot-luck dinner, and out of the 100 people who come, 4 bring food. Most of the other 96 people come and very quietly eat some of the food and leave. A few smile and say thank you. And, because it's a church and you have some food there, you really don't mind.

A few people who don't cook try to help out. They wash dishes, and pick up the trash. They help the small kids and older people who can't fill their own plates. They try to add something to the party.

But, 2 or 3 of the people who don't bring food start asking for stuff that isn't there. And, they get angry when you won't dish out their plates and serve them at their table. And, they yell at the people who did cook and tell them that the food is no good and it would be much better if you served steak instead of baked beans.

Those 2 or 3 people are far from the majority, but they certainly aren't much incentive for the 4 people who were willing to share their food to do so again.

Please pass the salt, thanks. :)

Don't be sad Boofo. I'm sure amykhar will let you bring something from your grocery store to the pot-luck. ;)

my pleasure :)

lol, i find this post hilarious, but it's so true.

ps, my monster of a post was lost in the mpdev/livewire arguing, bump my post, it's the most relevant thing in the world :p

All this talk of a pot-luck dinner has me hungry and while there is sport to be found in poking angry kitties with sticks, I'll glide over to the apple pie and take a seat.

I sincerely hope that both sides can take a moment and see the perspective of the other side so that in the future we can all enjoy the pie without the drama.

Mmmm..... PIE.....

Warm Apple Pie... and warm whipped cream... with some ice cream...

Okay, who brought the hot carmel?

Where is there a hot camel?! I have to see this!

I've been to the Persian Gulf - I got to see a hot camel there...

In One Piece the Arabasta arc, there's hot camels there.

Does camel really taste like chicken? Someone told me a rattlesnake did, I tried it and it does not; unless maybe it tastes like a rubber chicken.

...This i stupid. You guys are real dumbasses to turn this thread into hot camel talk.

That, sir, is uncalled for. This is a civil website with a code of conduct that does not include calling other members "dumbasses" - with a mere 20 posts to your credit in the last year and a half, I would suggest that you take the time to reconnect yourself with the rules of this site.

...Now back to the hot camel talk...

They are just trying to lighten the mood because it's gotten so tense around here. However it is a serious thread, and enough is probably enough IMHO :)

Hmm balls and a turkey dinner. cool

I dont want to hear it. I come here and I post when I find it needed. I install hacks and acknowledge the creators with their proper install copyrights and the install buttons. So dont strat about a year and a half and measly posts because I really don't care.

I dont need to re-connect with anything, I come here and see how people act all the time. So preach elsewhere.

I sent you a PM.

Don't make me call your mother....

Can we get this thread back on track please.

I'd rather not get it back to what is started out as, please.

While my profession is in Child Psychology I'll take a stab at analyzing, I meant reviewing, them. :D

*Freudian slip. ;)

Please stay on-topic - if you want to chat, go to the Lounge. Thanks for understanding.

damn true.

Im not coder, I dont have the time to learn all about coding so I have to depend on free code from coders like you for example. I've even downloaded hack from your board even when it was a small one!

But hey, as someone else stated, even a "hello world" script can be uploaded. There are dozens of scripts that do the same, such as the "autoresize image" or stuff like that.

About the hacks database... well, even a customer an non coder like me, is still waiting for it.


Bigboards if they arent taken care of day by day, end up having problems like this.

If you wanna make money off your hacks, open up a site for them like a few others have done.

Simple.

So, if I kill all coders, vb.org will still prevale because it will be turned into a... mmmmmm grocery store? LOL

c'mon guys. Think wisely before hitting the Post Reply button ;);););)

The admins and staff have listened to the concerns in this thread and we are actively finding solutions right now. It's sufficient to say that there will be major changes implemented very soon - I know people are tired of hearing merely words with no actions to back them up - we basically need to look at different options - do we do this in an evolutionary way (slow and steady), or in a revolutionary way (radical changes)? It may be that we need radical changes. We shall see. Things are being discussed. So be assured that we are listening.

Thank you, Erwin. That's one of the most positive-sounding posts I've read on the subject in a while now.

Thanks Erwin. :)

Agreed...its the most productive post thus far on either side of the fence....Erwin's had the last two or three most honest post....go team Erwin :p

So like today i released a pretty cool mod, and i dont think everyone appreciated it because i only got 8 installs all day and they even reported a bug, how could there be a bug in my mod? can you beleive the nerve of some people

I think i'm going to leave now.... and take my lightbox with me

/sarcasim

Im glad to hear that there are going to be changes... Its been needed fir a while now. Thanks for listening to the customers :)

Hmm.. according to this post you took it down because it was a core vBulletin file that you had edited in some way.

That's not stealing another's code, that's breaking the TOS of both this site and vBulletin Software.

Sometimes heads need to be chopped. Its a shame, but its the truth

I just had to quote this as I think it's pure brilliance.
Easily one of the best analogies I have read around these parts.

First of all I would like to say thanks for taking action. It's most appreciated.
But I do have to state one thing: It would be nice if we could hear a little more than "changes will be implemented". All we've heard is "the hack db is coming" but thats about it. Any attempts to re-kindle it gets the thread locked (seperate thread that is).
What I would like is to hear a little more details. Specifically, a what and a rough when.

I applaud changes being made (if they are for the better :p) :)

If you always do what you did, you will always get what you got.

Given that you would possibly be looking at a cost/benefit or risk/reward analysis of what's 'most right' for vB.org... radical would, in my humble opinion, seem to be the most pragmatic approach here...

I can't give details as the discussion is still going on. It may require a change of staff. It will take a lot of time and effort. It may involve many people. Really, until we sort it out for ourselves, I can't really tell you much more.

To be serious on the matter, aside from hot camels, I am compelled to agree with Amy and with good reason too. She makes a very good analogy. I will provide my hacks for free and if people don't like it, I will assume there's something better they can purchase elsewhere - which is fine by me, I'm happy I can help someone out that can't afford to pay, such as myself.

and rest assured, you and coders like you, are very much appreciated by me and people like me, who can't afford to pay for hacks.
God bless you sweetie ;)