is it me

Like I said, I'm not saying.

If the code was clean, I wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place, now would I? Liz

lol some of those suxxorz bad

if you are to judge code based on that you are out of your mind rofl

roflmao

[high]* Dream goes do something else[/high]

We all need to chill out. We're not getting anywhere now. This thread is on the verge of getting closed, I think. It has been discussed/argued about all it can be for now.

Why close thread? If anybody has something to say, just let them. ://

Because it's just rehashing everything all over again and again. And too many people have lashed out in here at one another. We should just agree to disagree and leave it at that for now, don't you think?

That doesn't mean it has to be closed...we can, however, take a break from it for now. If someone NEW comes along and has a FRESH thought? Liz

Okay then let's all agree to doing the filter, and then you can close the thread if you like .. :)

Yeah.

Sorry, I won't agree to a filter. ;)

@Liz - I have no problem leaving it open if the jabs and hostility stops. We'll see how it goes for now. ;)

I'll be the first one to admit that I'm still learning -- 10 years from now, I'll still be learning.

What's 'standard/valid/safe' today will not necessarily be 'standard/valid/safe' tomorrow.

Although I agree with some points, I think a system like this will fail and die out within a few weeks if ever implemented. You are counting on 'volunteer' resources that come and go.

vb.org/volunteers should NOT:

• Tell people how to code.
• Tell people which mod to install.
• They should however, empower others with knowledge.

The average vbulletin member (users):

• The majority of users are not interested in 'standards' -- they don't even know what it is.
• The majority of users are only looking for additional functions/features to add on their existing board. They will install regardless of 'labels'.

What they need are guides and/or how-to's regarding 'standards', security, php, xhtml, css, xml, xss, etc, etc. Knowledge is Power. With this 'power' users can come up with their own conclusion regarding any mod.

Here's what I suggest:

1. There should be an Article/Guide/How-To section.
   • It should be clearly stated.
   • This section should be found within the upper-half of the page.
   • You should direct all members to it (registration email, pm, post, etc).
   • A 'security' article should be stickied GLOBALLY or prepended automatically on every mod thread.
2. the PREMIUM forum :down: - anyone can get their mod listed
   • it's misleading - 'premium' has a 'superior quality' connotation to it (NOTE: I'm not saying that what is there now is not 'quality'.)
   • To a new member, it would appear as if vb.org gave it a 'thumbs up' or is endorsing it. Yea, I know there is a 'more info' but how many users actually take the time to read it -- especially, when PREMIUM is in BOLD?
   • I would move all the mods back to FULL RELEASES (however, mod authors should stay with the same options as they have within the PREMIUM section) eg. a 'supported' mod forum found in PREMIUM moved into PORTAL SOFTWARE as a sub-forum
   • A mod can be 'supported' today but that doesn't mean that the author will 'support' it tomorrow. What then?

just my (counting fingers) 1-2-3?;

@Dark Visor,

One more time a statement like that from you, even if you see it as a 'joke', and i will not hesitate to use the ban button on you, and either remove your hacks or mark them. And i am not talking about the encoding part, because encoded hacks wouldn't be allowed here anyway.

@all
Please try to discuss this subject on facts without repeating yourself over and over again. Name calling or insinuation will not help anybody, and otherwise there is no other option then to close this thread (and DV, that would mean we will not be implementing anything).

Now THAT I can live with. No labels. ;)

I think this thread has out lasted its usefulness.

If you want to start another discussion about 3.0 > 3.5 codeing, or coding standard in general please do so. But lets not let it turn into this again.

Dark Visor, you should be aware that we do NOT allow any encoded scripts here period, and releasing one that would damage a users database in some way could be very deteramental to your status here as well as couild get you into some legal troulbe down the way.

Hacks are supposed to be quick and dirty solutions to immediate problems. As such applying coding standards to them is not appropriate. It is up to each individual add-on author to decide what level of skill they want to apply their work when it is released.

On the flipside it is up the forum owner to guarantee the safety and security of their site. If they are going to be applying hacks and addons then they should educate themselves in how to do so safely.

It is not up to the volunteers of this site to review and secure every line of code. There should be enough peer review to handle that without making it an official requirement.

Erwin's last word:

I go to bed last night, and wake up to a 15 page thread since my last post.

I want to go on record to say that it is totally unbelieveable and unacceptable that a member of this community would threaten to release a hack that deletes someone else's database, even if it's meant to be a joke, just because other members disagree with his view. Some may find this funny, but for a forum admin, security is a serious issue.

This is a community. We do take member feedback seriously. I was in fact seriously considering this issue. However, it does appear that the majority of members are NOT in favour of such a QA system, even if it's voluntary.

Nevertheless, making threats, even half-jokingly, because you do not get your way, does not help anybody in their cause. Please discuss things in a more mature way without resorting to ad hominem attacks, swearing and threatening others.