Wayne,

Good post, before I respond, I'd like to see if you have a response for my previous message...sorry for my post whoring :)

these are subforums, people.. not another instance of vbulletin itself, not "another vb", not anything like wayne and velocd are refering to.. it merely adds functionality for assigned users to SUB-FORUMS to be able to MODIFY the look and FEEL of a SUB-FORUM..

you can't just walk in someones forum, decide you want a sub-forum, and create one and modify it..

that is not what this does.. it allows an admin to create sub-forums for other folks to have their own look and feel for their SUB-FORUM of a SINGLE INSTANCE of a SINGLE INSTALL of vBulletin using the same database and the same php files..

Kiers reply doesn't hold water, imo because this is not passing out the source of the software.. this is allowing style/ template mods of an already existing, fully licensed version of vBulletin..

this arguement is serving no purpose for any one community.. let alone the broken community of a slowly becomg defunct vBulletin.org, that consistently changes it policies, rules and hack info based on what they decide instead of basing it on the one thing they are here for and completely overlook.. community..

that has been proven almost on a weekly basis anymore with the people leaving and creating their own sites to produce hacks for vBulletin itself..

now, with the thought of changing the license agreement in mind, if it changes every time a version change occurs, so will the user base of vBulletin.. clearly this is a recognized issue.. and clearly some of the "higher ups" have recognized that the community here shows interest in something such as this hack or HTL or even the lockdown hack.. now, i understand laws and even understand attorneys and the issues this could create.. but surely it's a recognized fact that the only consistent thing with this site and almost all of vB as a whole is the consistently changing rules.. this has got to stop if there is to be a core of anything.. else a 160 dollar license ain't such a good investment..

Actually, it does allow any member to create a sub-forum without admin intervention with the proper settings. it allows multiple and unlimited forums to be created with the proper settings. It is much more than simple sub-forums.

I can demonstrate this if you truly wish me to using the same code that was being distributed here.

From what I gathered from reading the original hack thread and this one the board and forums would still be under the super admin identify but they allow people to make a forum to mod. As stated there is on one set of files, database, and domain. Now if you (Jelsoft) want to try and find a loop hole then that is up to you but if you are taking the license at face value then this hack should be allowed. As I and a few others have said you can do almost everything this hack does without the hack itself except the automated parts. If I wanted to allow someone to setup a forum on my installation that I am currently using all I would have to do is set them as a mini admin and they can make all the forums they want and Jelsoft wouldn't know. But my question was never answered earlier. What if you have a single vbulletin and have a network of sites and each site wants it's own catergory and forums? Each site has different owners but all site owners are owners under the whole network.

Dark Shogun

If re-worked so that the control of the sub-forums is only available from the Moderator Control Panel and only administrator appointed staff could be assigned to control specific sub-forums this will probably be an acceptable hack. However, to enable anyone to install this and host 1000 forums of their own is not.

It would also have to include a standalone text file for it not to be reliant on external hacks even if the hack is included in the installation.

So are you saying the decision is basically made and that the hack will not be allowed unless those changes are made to it? Also I didn't see anything in the license about single "organization".

Dark Shogun

So this hack is banned ? ..... ?

I guess so, but what did you expect from VBulletin? They don't give a cr** about you, me or anyone here. They just worry about lining there pockets with our money!

Thank god I only 'leased' and once that runs out Invision here I come....

Here is my example to prove my point: http://www.vbulletinmods.com/index.php?

Go ahead and sign up and you can have your own hosted community in as little as five minutes.

And irregardless of the statements about this making mods' lives easier, the way it is set up there is the intent and purpose of the this hack. At stated by the original post and by the options provided.

FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION, THIS IS A COMPRIMISE

Based on the concerns of the vBulletin staff, I think this comprimise should be addressed.

GameCrazy, would you be willing to rework your hack to allow for this?

To prove the point Wayne was trying to make, I developed three forums before my email had a chance to even notify me of the first one.

Check out Wayne's link...This is an example of putting it in the wrong hands...but used properly, it can be a great tool.

Im gonna sign up there now just to check this hack even tho i think its unfair of vBulletin.

Go ahead and play with it.. Change the colors and the header and footer in the HostingCP control panel.

Only took me 10 minutes to setup and will only take me 3 minutes to remove later.

i think this hack rocks so much it has nothing to do with stoping vBulletin

Well that's a positive contribution :sarcasm:

i know vBulletin dont like it since well say they might lose sales from this well thats what they think say they lose 5 sales a week from this ( not gonna happen i know )

they lose $800 a week thats $3200 a month

and $38,400 a year

i think. lol

With grammar that poor, I can barely understand anything you are trying to say.

And aren't you running PHPBB anyways???

No i hate phpbb i never used it

i moved from ib.

sorry what i was trying to say is,

If this hack killed 6 sales a week from vBulletin.com then they will lose so much.

thats most prob why they wont let it.

Anyways this case is closed right ?

We cant use it. simple as.

There may be a compromise solution available to release it in a modified form. We would have to hold discussions with GameCrash and try to work out an agreement.

I'll probably use it anyways - just not set up to be that lineaunt(sp?). This would be killer for forum RPGs.

wayne aint u just broke your own rules by installing it and allowig us to mess with it.
In jelsofts eyes regardless of who u r - that is now classed as a pirated board as your license is now void.I know u showing us an example of what it can do but thats no excuse.

Compromise is fine but i can see this hack becoming a lot less cause its guts will be ripped out and we be left with hardly any of the orginal hack.

Anyway i do see your point as ive just been there and made a test forum and imagine some idiot on your forum making loads just for the fun of it - its gonna be a big board.
Maybe when someone makes one how about a admin or supermod has to authourise it first before it goes though.
Same with buttons etc - have set ones and they pick a certain style and we authourise that as well then they basically have no control as we have the last say on it.

Oh dear god ....

How can he investigate the hack and find out exactly what it does without installing it!

i know that i was being funnie........................ Also u never heard of trying it local on your own comp - if we done that they tell us to remove it would`nt they ?

But what aint funnie is how they gonna strip a hack cause it dont fit in with their beliefs of what a vbull board can do and cant do.

Im curious what could vbull do to a live site with someone running this vbhosting in its present format ?

Could they have it closed etc ?

:D

the temp site is 500 error, guess he got busted by the man;)

ask politely(hopefully) that the site remove it since it was deemed to be against the LA.

fair enough - just wondering thats all :)

Yes you will get one warning .... then take action

Maybe it is you. The site still works for me.

Well I got lucky enough to get the BETA 2 version of this hack before it was shutdown and install it. I still don't have the sub forums I created public. HOWEVER, when I installed it I left the options so that THE admin for the main forum had to fully approve and ok the new forums creation and the option to even request a new forum at the top of the board is non-existant in my forum. Why the heck would you want that anyway, shoot, you may come back in 1 day and find that 700 of your members created their own forum! Come on now, what sense does that make.

What I'm saying is use common sense. I would NEVER leave any option anywhere for anyone to ever do anything to my board without my personaly knowledge and OK, I'm also sure ALL admins here would feel the same. Just remove that specific ability from this hack and be done with it!

Thank you.

I think all that needs to be done is take away the web site crap except for logo - renaming that field. The only way I see this breaking the LA is if it is used to host a board for other sites. Take away the options for the web site and then we have Super SubForums.

Hm, now that I actually see a demonstration of this hack from Wayne's site, I acknowledge my previous statements were somewhat over emphasized.

Still, this hack needs to be re-worked in the instructions Wayne provided.

Another good suggestion would to make the shell interface for the subforum manager to look not like the AdminCP. If you made it look more like the forum style, and redesign it, and less of the AdminCP and perhaps even used your own coding (since much of it looks like copy and paste) then it would have a better chance of being accepted by Jelsoft. Otherwise you are giving unlicensed users a taste of what vBulletin licensed administrators can access.

My last bits of commentary. ;)

Well, it's not like there are 50 ways to code print_yes_no_row ;)

had to switch to insecure mode in order to see it, yep it's still there.:)
From the looks of it, 2 things stick out:
- url back to your site, actually that whole section where it asks for links needs to go
-the way you set it up, sub forums dont need approval first, meaning that option needs to go

Other than those two "features," most of the rest could be done right now with a lesser admin panel hack set up for registered users. The only added feature that would be needed is the style altering section.

How is this hack any different than the Moderator access mask hack from vb 2.0? I see that it adds a nice gui front end along with a streamlined way to deal with the requests.

Thankyou

We payed for our liscenses and then we get all the good hacks limited down half the time. I didnt hear any problems with the vb2 user created forums hack which did part of what this allowed. It allowed users to create boards and could have been used to host boards for other sites to a good degree.

So all we need to do is charge anyone wanting subforums a membership fee to become part of the website staff. Bingo, problem solved and there ain't a damned thing Jelsoft can do about it.

We have the opinion of a copyright lawyer above that says you're flat out wrong. Where did you get your law degree?

Of course this is only your opinion and, as such, is non-binding. The only way you can elevate this assertion from opinion to fact is through a court finding. Should you choose to do so, the burden of proof is on Jelsoft. The hack user need not prove the negative of the assertion, but can certainly show through history that the hack merely does via automation what others have done for years manually. Your lack of enforcement in that matter will indicate implicit acceptance of this arrangement as NOT in violation. Hence the hack user, and the hack by extension, will be found to be not in violation of either the letter or the spirit because it merely automates that which you have given implicit acceptance of in the past.

Jelsoft CANNOT win this one.