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Digital Jedi 04-10-2014 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-or (Post 2492482)
Does not mean nobody got hacked, just that nobody reported yet. I have looked in my user CP, there is a paypal email address field, maybe that's what the hackers are after. If they can get both a password and a paypal email address, it's potentially very dangerous. There is also the homepage field that can be potentially very dangerous. I recommend people to blank these fields if no measures are going to be taken.

As was mentioned multiple times, if your password is secure, you have nothing to worry about. You do realize that this happens on every account you have across the internet, right? Daily. It's just vBulletin has a built in notification process when it happens. Most places, you'd never know unless you have an awful password. Seriously, though. Knowing your PayPal email address is about as potentially dangerous as someone knowing your last name. Everyone we did business with already knows it.

We really have to stop this paranoia every time hacking bots randomly pick this site as a target. Everything that can be done on the administration end has been done. Now you have to secure your password, just like you would everywhere else on the web. I can't understand why this doesn't sink in.

BirdOPrey5 04-10-2014 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitetigergrowl (Post 2492468)
No biggie until they eventually hack into your account and get your password. Anyone that says this is no biggie is seriously underestimating what is going on and potentially willing to compromise their account and information here and elsewhere.

200.112.211.80
117.164.142.150

I had 2 attempts on my account at the same time today. (8:09am)

Do not underestimate or downplay this. One IP is from Columbia and another from China in my case.

If you have a secure password it would take hundreds of thousands or millions or more chances to brute force break your password. Even someone who got 50 emails only had 250 max unique passwords checked on their account. The chances of them getting it right are almost zero. If your password is even puppy1036 they are never going to get it with this attack.

They are looking for the extremely week passwords- such as-
password
123456
abcde
[your username]

etc...

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetLee (Post 2492469)
What got me worrying is that someone also called my cell phone carrier trying to ascertain my home address. WTF? I've since put extra security measures in place with all utilities and banks as well as changing all forum passwords to something even more complicated than I was already using.

I can assure you they are not related. This happens every few months around here- they are only looking for valid, licensed, accounts.

BirdOPrey5 04-10-2014 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-or (Post 2492482)
Does not mean nobody got hacked, just that nobody reported yet. I have looked in my user CP, there is a paypal email address field, maybe that's what the hackers are after. If they can get both a password and a paypal email address, it's potentially very dangerous. There is also the homepage field that can be potentially very dangerous. I recommend people to blank these fields if no measures are going to be taken.

The paypal field is only of value to coders/designers who can receive donations from other members as thanks for their mods.

There is no risk so long as you don't have the same password for vbulletin.org and paypal.

My paypal email is: paypal@juot.net - I welcome any donations anyone wants to send - there is ZERO risk making this public.

TNCclubman 04-10-2014 06:01 PM

getting brute forced as well here getting notifications of wrong password.

whitetigergrowl 04-10-2014 06:02 PM

It may happen every few months, but it doesn't make it any less serious. Maybe there is something the site can do to help prevent or minimize further attacks? I'm sure there are a number of things that can be done.

Vbulletin.org is the only site I have had this happen at. While its possible or likely it may have happened at others and I never knew about it, its still not reassuring IMO.

Or is it gonna take something catastrophic to happen and the damage done before its taken more seriously. Simply put this I don't think should be happening as often as it is to the point its affecting members here. Let alone to the point its making them jittery.

We don't know what they are after or what the true intention is. Having a good password may still not stop them. Its obvious they are looking for something. The question is if they get what they are looking for, is VB.org prepared to deal with the fallout and who will take responsibility for not trying to do more about it ahead of time when the chance was there?

This caught my attention. Downplaying it is not something I know I would be doing.

BirdOPrey5 04-10-2014 06:16 PM

The only thing we will likely do at some point is stop having so many emails sent to the users since there is really nothing you can do about it.

We will monitor when these things happen but there isn't a whole lot anyone can do.

The fact these emails are generated frankly means the system is working.

vBulletin.org has no real sensitive data beyond forum holder email addresses- and as long as you use a unique password and a secure password there is no need to worry.

HeloHi 04-10-2014 07:16 PM

I just changed my password to something freakishly long and complex. I suggest others to do the same.

owning_y0u 04-10-2014 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeloHi (Post 2492515)
I just changed my password to something freakishly long and complex. I suggest others to do the same.

32 chars FTW ;-)

Alan_SP 04-10-2014 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zackw (Post 2492451)
The only email I might want is perhaps something that says that a successful login took place, from a different IP that my last login.

I have dynamic IP address. It's normal in my country.

Every time I login, I'm using different IP. This would mean I'd receive emails every time when I login.

On the other hand, something like this would mean a difference to people who wants to be extra safe.

RaiinbowEyes 04-10-2014 08:28 PM

Good to know I'm not alone, someone has been trying to hack my account with a proxy as well. How annoying >_< Guess it's time to change the PW to something ridiculous ;)

AuroraStorm 04-10-2014 08:51 PM

*singing voice*

IT'S THE MOWWWWWWWWWWWWST WONDERFUL TYYYYYYYYYYYYME OF THE YEAR!
WHEN YOUR IP GETS HACKED AND YOUR PASSWORDS GET JACKED!
ON VB DOT OAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRG! IT'S THE MOST - WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

VargTimmen 04-10-2014 09:07 PM

I am also affected. Changed my password. Maybe this is caused through the heartbleed case?

petteyg359 04-10-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VargTimmen (Post 2492527)
I am also affected. Changed my password. Maybe this is caused through the heartbleed case?

I farted at the same time the plane they found near Australia went off its planned route. Maybe they were related?

Seriously, random failbots attempting to break into vBulletin accounts have nothing to do with OpenSSL bugs.

Lynne 04-10-2014 09:15 PM

You guys who say this only happens on vbulletin.org - do you ever check your server access logs? I'm not talking about the apache access_logs, but the ones that show when someone tries to brute force your server. This, at vbulletin.org, is nothing compared to that!

USAMustangs.com 04-10-2014 09:57 PM

Come on vb.org, this is absolutely ridiculous. What's the issue here and what have you done to address it?


Your account on vBulletin.org Forum has been locked because someone has tried to log into the account with the wrong password more than 5 times. You will be able to attempt to log in again in another 15 minutes.

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 183.220.40.221

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 195.189.30.10

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 116.213.62.122

AuroraStorm 04-10-2014 10:33 PM

Seriously, I'm not trying to be an a-hole about this, but if you check this thread from the beginning, this type of attack happens around this time every year. I caught on to that fact when I got caught last year. If my account had been locked down, I wouldn't have been able to get in and I keep this thing logged on all the time.

...and for real tho, when I really sit back and think about it, if this account gets hacked, could the hacker please go in and check off that I've installed some of the modifications? I keep forgetting to do that. THANKS!

BirdOPrey5 04-10-2014 10:45 PM

You would never be locked out unless the attack was coming from your IP Address.

blind-eddie 04-10-2014 10:48 PM

Everyone in the forum software world knows the file structure of many forum software including vbulletin.

We all know bots crawl our sites everyday, they know that every member account path is "member.php?u=".
Its really easy to start with 1 then 2 then 3 ....etc...at the end of "member.php?u=" and paste your name in the login box and use a random password to see if it works.

You then get the locked account email...so what, it was not you... you know that.

Change your password to a stronger password for shits and giggles just to be safe.

Many requesting to add ip's to ban list should do a little research, its a waste of time to ban ip's... getting a new ip is easy to do.

There is nothing that can be done to stop it from happening..no one is to blame for this happening.. there is nothing wrong with vbulletin software... welcome to the internet.

Max Taxable 04-10-2014 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blind-eddie (Post 2492543)
Everyone in the forum software world knows the file structure of many forum software including vbulletin.

We all know bots crawl our sites everyday, they know that every member account path is "member.php?u=".
Its really easy to start with 1 then 2 then 3 ....etc...at the end of "member.php?u=" and paste your name in the login box and use a random password to see if it works.

You then get the locked account email...so what, it was not you... you know that.

Change your password to a stronger password for shits and giggles just to be safe.

Many requesting to add ip's to ban list should do a little research, its a waste of time to ban ip's... getting a new ip is easy to do.

There is nothing that can be done to stop it from happening..no one is to blame for this happening.. there is nothing wrong with vbulletin software... welcome to the internet.

Very good post.

But.... vBorg could probably re-word the email message, making it say something like:

"We locked IP 123.456.789 out of login to your account, due to multiple failed attempts to log in. The login attempts failed but please insure you have a strong password."


Might save alot of this hand wringing every time this occurs.

MYU 04-10-2014 11:09 PM

I'm getting the same thing, started yesterday and all different IP address.

6 attempts in the past hour.

pokesph 04-10-2014 11:43 PM

same stuff, different IP: 195.19.214.8

so annoying..

Max Taxable 04-11-2014 12:07 AM

Would be helpful if vBorg also captured the offender's user agent string and sent it in the email as well - for those of us who use the "ban spiders by user agent" mod.

Mr.Windows 04-11-2014 01:42 AM

Is there a way to just delete my account? I no longer participate in the VB community and would rather just remove this vector of internet from attachment to me.

SyrLinus 04-11-2014 02:03 AM

Add 117.164.9.166 as they tried again tonight. I will be glad when this OpenSSL issue is addressed.

sb225 04-11-2014 02:05 AM

I am too getting a lot of emails from the past, that some one is trying to loginto my account, can you keep my account in safe place.

nochkin 04-11-2014 02:19 AM

Just found this thread after I got about 10+ emails saying my account was locked out.
All IPs are different and from all other the world, so looks like some kind of botnet.

I originally thought... No... My precious myself thought this attack is directed to me only, but after finding this thread I realized that I'm no special. Good.
So it seems like this is just a silly bruteforce to get a hold for some forum accounts to post spam, etc.
Nothing special, no mystery, no hidden kittens. Oh, well.

Max Taxable 04-11-2014 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyrLinus (Post 2492556)
Add 117.164.9.166 as they tried again tonight. I will be glad when this OpenSSL issue is addressed.

That's completely unrelated to this and is also not a vbulletin issue. The heartbleed exploit is not a brute force password cracker.

If you're concerned about site vulnerability to the heartbleed SSL issue, test it here.

Max Taxable 04-11-2014 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Windows (Post 2492553)
Is there a way to just delete my account? I no longer participate in the VB community and would rather just remove this vector of internet from attachment to me.

Remove your email address from the account via UserCP, then log out.

30022 04-11-2014 05:29 AM

Same

Quote:

Dear 30022,

Your account on vBulletin.org Forum has been locked because someone has tried to log into the account with the wrong password more than 5 times. You will be able to attempt to log in again in another 15 minutes.

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 117.165.180.90

Kyo-dono 04-11-2014 05:58 AM

Same here:

Quote:

Dear Kyo-dono,

Your account on vBulletin.org Forum has been locked because someone has tried to log into the account with the wrong password more than 5 times. You will be able to attempt to log in again in another 15 minutes.

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 194.126.181.47
Quote:

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 183.238.133.43
Quote:

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 212.247.140.71

Brandon Sheley 04-11-2014 06:02 AM

got this message the other day, then just now as well..

The person trying to log into your account had the following IP address: 223.84.180.232

I deleted the other email, so no idea what the proxy ip was.. not that it really matters ;)

teou 04-11-2014 08:11 AM

Several more ips from today:
119.46.203.37
183.221.174.3
117.172.66.7

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANGLICO (Post 2492449)
I would like to be able to block IP addresses that appear to originate from certain countries from trying to log into my account. Is there a way to do that? Perhaps an easier option would be to PERMIT only an IP address originating in the USA to log into my account.

Ideas?

Belay the previous, I just saw this:

I have researched this matter 1-2 years ago. There are such geo-ip apache modules - you need root access to your server to install it. But it is reasonable to do only for very localized non-english language forums. Not to mention that this approach gives false positives or negatives sometimes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zackw (Post 2492451)
I think the solution is simple, the forum should just stop sending these emails. Clearly, if the block is only IP based, then it doesn't affect your own login attempts, and since no harm is done, your account was always safe.

The only email I might want is perhaps something that says that a successful login took place, from a different IP that my last login.

All I need to know is if someone is changing my password or changing my email or even if they have logged in from an IP not normal for me. This could alert me to a compromised account.

These emails about lockouts don't seem to serve any purpose if the intention is NOT to block every single IP that comes through. I personally can't do jack with the emails, it's not like I can come here and do IP blocks myself. So this may be a case of TMI. Just stop emailing people about failed login attempts.

Is that hard?

99% of the ordinary users in the world, esp. in the "post ip v4" era when there is shortage and recycling of IP blocks, are using DYNAMIC addresses. So, unless this is made as an option in the User Control Panel that can be turned off, this is not very clever solution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi (Post 2492486)
As was mentioned multiple times, if your password is secure, you have nothing to worry about. You do realize that this happens on every account you have across the internet, right? Daily. It's just vBulletin has a built in notification process when it happens. Most places, you'd never know unless you have an awful password. Seriously, though. Knowing your PayPal email address is about as potentially dangerous as someone knowing your last name. Everyone we did business with already knows it.

We really have to stop this paranoia every time hacking bots randomly pick this site as a target. Everything that can be done on the administration end has been done. Now you have to secure your password, just like you would everywhere else on the web. I can't understand why this doesn't sink in.

I agree it is not really dangerous, but it is just very annoying. VB Staff should just turn off these emails - can't be that hard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VargTimmen (Post 2492527)
I am also affected. Changed my password. Maybe this is caused through the heartbleed case?

This has nothing to do with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynne (Post 2492532)
You guys who say this only happens on vbulletin.org - do you ever check your server access logs? I'm not talking about the apache access_logs, but the ones that show when someone tries to brute force your server. This, at vbulletin.org, is nothing compared to that!

That is true. I am administering also a PHPBB3 forum - on a very micro forum (read less than 10 K posts) i get around 10-20 such bruteforce attempts per day on average. Initially i was annoyed at the PHPBB guys, because these were not logged, not autobanned, there in no notification and these are stored in a temporary SQL table that gets auto-cleared. But after i looked at how many times these attacks happen i saw this was the right decision, otherwise the logs on the server will get HUGE.
Here is how it looks in mysql right now:

Code:

attempt_ip        attempt_browser        attempt_forwarded_for        attempt_time        user_id        username        username_clean
89.169.5.251        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/53...                1397188458        0        Claytonwemn        claytonwemn
199.15.233.139        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (K...                1397172673        0        TimothyKACH        timothykach
89.169.5.251        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64) AppleWebKit/53...                1397184431        0        Claytonwemn        claytonwemn
95.26.157.169        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (K...                1397199455        0        FishPn        fishpn
46.119.6.88        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (K...                1397153747        0        Ormostere        ormostere
89.169.5.251        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (K...                1397180266        0        Claytonwemn        claytonwemn
95.28.228.160        Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (K...                1397160780        0        FishPn        fishpn


The conclusion: VB Staff, please disable email spam, thank you.

BirdOPrey5 04-11-2014 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Windows (Post 2492553)
Is there a way to just delete my account? I no longer participate in the VB community and would rather just remove this vector of internet from attachment to me.

In the future I hope we can make some changes to stop sending these emails to customers and instead send them to a local email address where network admins can keep an eye out. However- with the nature of the way things work here- it won't come soon enough to stop this attack, only hope it won't happen again in the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyrLinus (Post 2492556)
Add 117.164.9.166 as they tried again tonight. I will be glad when this OpenSSL issue is addressed.

Not an OpenSSL issue. Completely unrelated- vBulletin.org doesn't use SSL. Even if it did, a brute force attack isn't a symptom of the OpenSSL issue- they would already have the sensitive data, they wouldn't be trying to figure it out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb225 (Post 2492558)
I am too getting a lot of emails from the past, that some one is trying to loginto my account, can you keep my account in safe place.

As long as you have a decently secure password you are safe. Make sure all websites, especially vBulletin.org has a secure (complex/long) and unique password. The unique part being perhaps the most importing. With a unique password the absolute worst thing a hacker could do is post as you- which isn't high on the severity meter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by teou (Post 2492609)
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The conclusion: VB Staff, please disable email spam, thank you.

We hear you and will do something as soon as we can, but it won't be today unfortunately.

AdrianH 04-11-2014 09:40 AM

Joe, I would think long and hard about turning off the warnings.

All that will happen is on the next attack , staff and the forum will be swamped with people whining that their account was locked, that they couldn't get mods, that nobody warned them, and they should have been told that someone was attempting to access their account.

Been there, done it .......... you can't win.

As forum admins the members here should know what the emails mean, after all their own forums do exactly the same when the Bots are active.

Lightly_Toasted 04-11-2014 09:51 AM

Very irritating... 5 emails concerning this in less than a minute.

BirdOPrey5 04-11-2014 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdrianH (Post 2492625)
All that will happen is on the next attack , staff and the forum will be swamped with people whining that their account was locked,

No one is locked out. Even when they get the emails, they aren't locked out. The lock only applies to the IP address causing the problem, so unless their own computer is part of the attack they can always access their account.

smacklan 04-11-2014 10:37 AM

Got an email about the account lock myself yesterday. IP was 80.80.209.186 (Uzbekistan). First time I've logged in here in a very long time...last time was to change my password from the last big security flaw in vB. ;)

JeansJoe 04-11-2014 11:00 AM

I got around 20 of these emails. 10 yesterday 10 today in my inbox.
I switched Passwords just to be safe.

It's a lot of different IP's tho.
Could this be a DDoS?

HawkeBoE 04-11-2014 11:24 AM

Same here, got lots of lockout mails with different IPs.
Because of timedifference my phone made me crazy last night... & had to turn of nortifications for mail receive

lgnd 04-11-2014 12:45 PM

I got 5 emails in two days also changed my pw is there anything else I can do to prevent this? Thanks!


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