yes that is correct

Can you stop posting those links in here please? If you wish to use that one, go use it. Don't post it in here though, because it is showing a blatant disrespect for the work we have done on this. Please, by all means use their paid program, but don't advertise it in here. Thank you.

On topic, I have decided to commit my vB licence to this project, so it can go up on Area51 and you guys can carry on reporting bugs. This means sacrificing my own forum, of course... :(

I will update this page with the link to the official bug tracking pages and the Store when I can. It is an instantaneous change, because all I need to do is point my licence to the link of Area51 and it is legal again. So be patient about that. We really need that test site to be up, because I have no doubt our coders are working at different speeds, and we want to know we are on the right track.

Pfft, I hate long updates. But be prepared for them :)

how am I advertizing it? I have vb 3.5.2 and waiting for uShop myself. If you want money to move fwd let me know.. In the mean time I was ASKING if they are indeed using uShop and if SO how they manage to get it done w/3.5.3 (!)

if this is ADVERTISING then you have a serious problem....

I will not lower myself into arguing with you. I am trying to get some work done, and I won't have some random guy advertise (yeah, that's right, ADVERTISE) the link of another forum that has the program finished on. I have no problem, and I am not trying to pick a 'fight', because it's below me. I would be happy if you were to stop flaming people in this thread and let us get on with our work and let you get on with yours. Let it be the end of it there.

.....sorry for taking up your precious time FYI i run a board which competes with DNF but like I said you have no idea..

rgds,
SM

No problem. Please come again.

Asi9ine,

It's hardly "advertising" at all, not even close to it in fact. If I was responsible for this project I would be more than just a bit curious & concerned about the fact that another group has successfully converted the application to vB 3.5.x and will possibly *charge* a fee for assisting others with it.

With that thread I linked to Zachery and others should be thinking about a whole bunch of possible issues that will occur as a result if DNF actually goes ahead with it.

For those interested, I just got a quote for $300 to have it integrated w/my board.. There's also one more guy that posted in the same thread I assume he got the same response... that's $600

I'd be more than happy to assist in raising funds and donating to Zachery for acceleration of development of uShop

Just in case anyone wonders, if other people were to charge for converting the uCS hack for other people than themselves, they are in fact breaking the law.
It is illegal to convert and sell this hack without our permission, which I can assure you they do NOT have.

maroulis, if you can give me a copy of the email/pm you recieved concerning the quote, we will forward it to the proper authorities.

This hack is for selling? If yes, how much?

If you want to make yourself accessory to a crime, then go ahead and keep trying to buy it.

Word....That. Alot of us just keep checking back from time to time.. :) Please know that just cause we don't speak up all the time, that doesn't mean we don't support it. This forum master does..and my membership is dying to have these features back in the vb35? version too!

Cheers...Bitbender

Revan if they are smart and charge for the service of installing it, and not the product itself, it's legal.

surely they've made modifications if current version doesn't run on 3.5.3... Thanks for bringing this up as I was totally unaware of implications and just wanted to have this installed in my forum...

will PM you details in a minute...

So you are telling me if they charge for installing the hack on a forum, even if they updated it without permission, it's legal?
I don't believe that, but I'll pass the details along when I get them and we will see what the people higher up has to say.

Agreed. I don't believe Zachery OR Matt sanctioned this, or otherwise they would have released that version.

*anxiously awaits for this to be released for 3.5* ... *lol* :)

I don't have the time to read through this. But from what I can see it's a work in progress and I can't wait :)

there is new ushop ?
when released?

Can you please understand: NO. NJET. NEIN. NIX. NEI.
I have added you to my ignore list because I refuse to see any more of these posts, ever.

When does the uCash & uShop mod will release ?

Revan the modifying of code in itself is not illegal, and the free supply of this code, if it is not for sale elsewhere, is also *in most countries* legal. In some countries copyright also gives the right to refuse any distribution. Assuming that these people do not originate from one of these countries, then supplying installation for a fee is perfectly legal. Of course you cold jsut as easily revoke permission to use the code from these sites, and file a DMCA notification to their hosts ;)

STOP ASKING! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

S T O P A S K I N G !

I have reported you to an Admin, and I hope they will deal with you. I am sick of the way you are taking the p***.

What is different here is that the rules and regulations regarding work released online NOT under the GPL does not count based on the laws of each country. And unless explicitly stated otherwise, vBulletin.org hacks are released free for use and personal modification. What is not allowed is to modify and release code ("modify" meaning making slight changes as in fixing a bug, converting to new versions of the "mother software" in this case vB) either for free or for a fee, without the authors consent.
If they completely rewrote the hack, thus making it hard (if not impossible) to find the original code, they would obviously be allowed to sell it, and branding it uShop would just be disrespectful.
If what you are saying applied then I could simply travel to the Seychelles or wherever, resell pirated software, hack servers or basically break any other Internet law you can think of. Which quite frankly I don't beleive for a second is possible.

Well i hate to break it to you, but it is. I point out to you the several swedish torrent sites, which continue to run because swedish law does not yet prohibit them. The fact is if its not illegal in the country of origin, then the person CANNOT be charged for it. Its really quite simple.

if its not illegal where you are - you can't get charged for it.

At most an extradition request could be put in to allow the person to be deported to a country to be charged for breaking its laws, but i don't see that happening over this, do you?

it's never a good idea to assume anything about the law just because it seems liek it should, or shouldn't be that way. At the end of the day unless its illegal in the country the person is originating from, there isn't much you can do about it. Put it this way - you're local PD arent going to be able to arrest someone in the seychelles, are they? neither will any member of your countries law enforcement, because they have no jurisdiction in that country. It's really a rather simple concept.

Which country does this DNForum originate in?

I have no idea, i was just pointing out the possibilities.

Hope all is going well with the uShop!!

@Decado: No code, even edited code, is subject to sale without the written consent of Matthew Gordon (Link14716) or Zachery.

From the uCash/uShop files:

I just installed uCash and can not wait to try out uShop! I've never used it before but it definitely sounds like something worth waiting for. Thanks for stepping up and getting this done for everyone. If I knew anything at all about coding or testing, I would most certainly volunteer to help. I just don't have the skills yet :P

Anxiously but patiently waiting!

Tyler i never said it was. I said the sale of installation of it was legal. And i said that the distribution of it from certain countries is legal, in the sense that it isnt challengable (i.e nothing can be done about it)

Its server is in America. http://www.whois.sc/dnforum.com Its illegal then.

so.. is their gonna be a shop or no?

If you'd read more than just the last page you'd know...

Yes, there will be, the beta should be out shortly I believe, if all things go as according to the develepors plans. Just be patient.

I swear I have heard of Sooner95.

And BrandiDup is pretty :nervous:

Aaaand... the Plugin gets done today. Revan was finishing the plugin off, and gave a due date of today. He's worked in superhuman speed to get it done. I am quite certain I have finished the code which allows direct uCash transfer in some Shop options without having to go to the main bank page to update. That in question is basically so members with slower Internet have to go through less pages, and therefore less pain :P

THEN we put it in the hands (e-hands of course :P) of the Beta testers. I have one forum in mind at this very moment, so we are open to applications. I am writing the relevant form out right now, for members to copy, fill out and send to us. Basically, what we are after is a small, close-knit community with a few members who are very experienced in this line of coding work. Instead of saying "oh crap theres an error" I want you to be able to describe the exact problem to me. Or at least the page the error is on :P

That will come later. Not a certain finishing date right now.

/me raises hand

Please Sir,

Are you letting little sites beta test it? I'm pretty good at hammering at things till they die myself, so I'll be happy to play with it.

/me puts hand down

/me looks sheepish

Hmmm. Not particularly looking to hand over the pack to sites who will edit the bugs themselves. That would take all the credit away from us :P

But seriously, maybe. I just worry about the idea because if you guys find and iron out a bug, we wouldn't know about it. Perhaps you could if you gave a full report on the things you find. I will take a look at your site right now to check its compatibility with our criteria. Maybe even join, I don't know :)

Don't worry, I won't think about fixing anything codewise without poking all the right people first and then again afterwards with what I did.

I've not got uCash on there at the moment. We used to have uCash and uShop until about 3.0.6 then I got fed up reinstalling it so took it off. My members were not too happy about it though.

Haha, fair enough :P

I bet they werent either! :disappointed:

I will take a look at the forum now.

ok, poke me if you've got any questions.

oh, forgot to say, it'd be at peterska2.co.uk not dontgiveahttp://www.peterska2.co.uk/images/smilies/censored.gif?.com

i'd love to test it, if you still need beta testers, my board has been waiting for this since 3.5 RC1 came out.