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Tony G 07-14-2005 03:53 AM

That's one mighty challenge. I'm going to definitely pass. ;)

Reeve of shinra 07-14-2005 04:06 AM

MS doesnt even support IE4 and as a result alot of companies aren't either. I don't see why vb really should at this point.

On the other hand, if they did, maybe there should be a new more css oriented design with an admin option to turn on a style that conforms to IE 4.x. A basic style. Nothing fancy, no extra options.

tamarian 07-14-2005 04:15 AM

This is a great site for that sort of thing:

http://www.alistapart.com/

Revan 07-14-2005 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean C
Filip the best way to learn CSS is to just read the vast amounts of information which are now online, and then if you get stuck as on SitePoint, they have some real CSS gurus there who have never failed me in the past :D!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT
HTML Utopia: Designing Without Tables Using CSS, it's a site point book, and a great one at that. Very well worth the money. :up:

Thanks mates, I'll check this out in abit. :) My girl just sent me a 14 page document she wants me to read and comment on, so back to the salt mines ;)

Dean C 07-14-2005 08:09 AM

Are my eyes seeing things or did I just see someone say they strive to support IE4. This is ridiculous. If the biggest organisation in the world has discontinued support for it, that's telling you something. I'd put money on it that there are less than 10k internet users worldwide using IE4.

Marco van Herwaarden 07-14-2005 08:51 AM

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
This will show that only 0.5% of the visitors of w3schools in july 2002 was still using IE4.

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
Stats on the usage of IE4, vary from 0.05% to 0.45%

Also have a look at:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/June/browser.php
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/bstats/latest-month.html
http://www.webreference.com/stats/browser.html (there are still hits on IE3, maybe we should support that too :D)



PS have a look at these stats from 1996: :D
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/browsers_dec96.html

sabret00the 07-14-2005 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachery
We need to support IE4+.

Someone showed a tableless phpbb design, it crashed in IE5:2 Mac, which is baslcy IE5/5.5, which doesn't cut it.

well looking at this: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=74
let's say this post/requirement by zachery has been negated :)


also from http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=63
Quote:

The style must render identically in all major browsers (IE6, Firefox 1.0, Opera 7.x, Safari 2.x, Konqueror)
i suggest people play on the technicallities of the post.

Zachery 07-14-2005 04:06 PM

Even so, if somthing like that won't manage on IE5 its not going to cut it either. I do know alotof people still running IE5

sabret00the 07-14-2005 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachery
Even so, if somthing like that won't manage on IE5 its not going to cut it either. I do know alotof people still running IE5

5.0 is a big cry from 4.0 and alot easier to support.

Dean C 07-14-2005 05:58 PM

Yep sabe, IE5 is very easy to deal with once you know the bugs it has :)


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