I've read through this thread (with slight understanding of what is going on).

But I have a query on the usergroup permissions bitfields.
Can't we already assign the own group name ?
eg.

Would this still cause a clash ?
(other than some other hack using EXACTLY the same 'myownpermissions' naming.

Use add_phrase_type() to create your custom phrasegroups :)

yes Cinq ... i did that for the jukebox permissions :)

ok then it is very likley that every forum the hack is on will have a different phraseid no for the same hack ....

that is well and good but what about when you release upgrades to the hack .... there do the new phrases go?

If it returns false (eg. not created), it most likely does already exist => check table phrasetype to get the ID (if you need it).

coding an installer for vb2 was childs play .... however vb3 is very complicated in the way it installs templates and phrases/phrasegroups etc.

I wouldnt know where to start ...

The HTL is dead .... and the HIS obviously dosnt cut the mustard.

How you you suggest that i code and installer that is smart enough to install a hack properly as well as being intelegent enough to find spacific numbers before and upgrade can be performed?

Can you code one for me?

Hmm, I thought HIS does handle phrases already?
I'll take a look at it but might take some days.

This is the same basic problem that I've encountered after starting a hack. Lack of documentation is a huge problem for software like this that is attractive largely because of the hacking community. The developers have promised a reference manual with the next major version, but until then we just have to read every php file (and wish there were more comments).

Yes the HIS does do phrases ..... BUT .... there are several phrase groups that it fails with that I know of so far

Email Body phrases and control panel stop messages.

The HIS will not collect these files when auto generating the phrase.php file and if the phrases are edited manually into the phrase.php in installing a hack the email body phrases are not installed. I have mentioned this to Link but he dosnt believe me :(

I can think of at least two ways to find the phraseid used (for upgrades).

1. Store it in the DB somewhere.

2. Run a query to find a phrase you know exists, and extract it's id.

Paul .... i am aware of the options, please feel free to build it into an installer for me ;)