I saw that, but then again that person didn't cite any actual case law. Apparently the issue with the aircraft forum being sued was in Australia, I still know of NO such case law or precedent in the United States.

Do you?

But again - earlier you agreed that the bits and bytes of data and information in the site owner's database is owned by the site owner - you merely quibble now with your goalpost-moving, strawman argument of whether that site owner can publish the material elsewhere or sell it.

Which is WAY off topic from the OP.

It's wayyyy different in the US, i only skimmed but the concluding post for me was http://xenforo.com/community/threads...-2#post-305332 in the US you specifically have to have "transfer of copyright" and you can only transfer copyright of an already created work, when someone signs up to your forum they haven't created a work so the US will ignore that agreement that they consented to prior to posting, however it does seem that you can have a pop up with the submission button for a post indicating that they agree to "transfer of copyright.....blah!" when submitting the post, that said you couldn't do it retrospectively for all previous posts.

Here in the UK (EU) copyright laws are very different and more defined.

I never made any such statement.

It does appear so:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...58#post2374858

And I attempted to clarify it here:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....9&postcount=43

And you might have missed that post, since the page was turning on this thread, so to speak.

You moved the goalposts and started quibbling about whether the site owner can publish the material elsewhere or sell the material, in context you are admitting that he does otherwise, OWN it.

Selective Reading once again:

There is no sense in arguing with you. Clearly that is all you wish to do.

Would you mind if I stole this?...I mean "borrow" this wording for my site. ;)

Could the TOS include wording to the effect "by clicking "Post reply" you agree to transfer content ownership" or something like that?

If you don't mind me taking you to court over it...;)

Your ToS can have pretty much anything you want in it. As long as the people registering agree to it you are fine. If they happen to break any of your conditions, rules or what not then you have the right to ban them or deny them access to your site or forums.

So yes, you can include that wording as well.

Purely for comparison, here is the relevant portion of our TOS:

And our copyright statement:

As you can see, we want no assumption of liability from the content posted. :D

How do you think that would help you in the OP's case ProSportsForums if your database and content was stolen like his?

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This is actually a very good topic to discuss as long as we are civil about it. In the last couple of months I have seen similar cases with others especially with video game and clan forums and websites.

When these clans end up breaking up or members don't see eye to eye they begin to throw at each other a bunch of mumbo jumbo to try and get the other party to pretty much fold or throw in the towel.

Many people especially those who start up sites and forums for clans have no clue of what responsibilities and legalities they are taking on when they decide to build a website/forums.

It would be a good idea for someone to write up an article or something for those who are starting up a site/forum about what they should be aware about before they go on and build one.

I like this discussion, so lets keep it civil so we can help not only the OP but others who might come across this topic.

The default vBulletin registration agreement reads:

So, did the OP change it?