Well a bridge might be ok for some but its not really a substitute for a CMS in the long run.

Also let us not forget that the very same people who are developing XenForo now failed to give us vB3 customers a proper CMS and blogs throughout the vB3 series.

Will they be able to do it now ? Maybe, lets see. Till now even the forum is not properly developed and its too early to speculate about all this. It will probably be years before the full package matures.

But one thing I can say for sure. I have used both vBulletin 4 as a user and Xenforo alpha as a user.

And except the blogs, there was nothing in vB4 suite that I really liked over vB3. There was nothing in vB4 which made me say .. Wow .. I like that feature and I want it. Infact I disliked it.

I missed several vB features in using XenForo, but there were a number of new features there ... which made me say .. Wow ... thats cool... wish I had that on my forum. Which is why I see potential in that software.

Anyway its early days as yet.

The site works even with javascript disabled so both sides can have the same basic opportunities like posting and reading.

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There is a difference between a quick buck and one well earned.

what part of my statement?
1) it's brand new
2) my forum is working fine as it is, no need to change
3) it looks interesting enough to start a new forum with it, but not nice enough to convert an old forum

Theres no doubt, vB4 is very underwhelming, if this xenforo was vB4, we would all be like WOW, vB4 looks so amazing. Didnt we all say... "wow, this is the next generation of vB?"

For a pre-release Alpha with various functions still turned off, it looks mighty good. It's very modern, which you cant say for vbulletin.

Off course its still a long way from having all vbulletins bells and whistles.

To me this means there is light at the end of the tunnel. Similar to how IPB is ramping up their development means that somewhere in the next year(s) there are other options to vbulletin, that allow us to migrate to without losing vital functionality nor losing content.

Had a look at XenForo and I'm extremely impressed. This is everything I thought vB 4 would be. I'll switch in a heartbeat when it's released.

I foresee lots of people jumping ship. IB has had a long time to turn things around and failed. The software is still not where it should be, especially for such a large development team working on it.

If the XenForo team can do a better job with only a fraction of the manpower then that gives me more than enough confidence to drop vB.


Call me blind but don't see what it's missing O_O Aside from the obvious like a built-in CMS or blog system. I'm only interested in the forum product, though. They also say it's due out end of summer, not far off.

Yes Kier , Scott , Mike's departure from vBulletin was a huge loss within vB Team however why vB failed has nothing to do with Developer quality. Things would not be different even they were on team.

Don't be so sure.
I think the difference is they will not release a beta version and label it GOLD.

hopefully it has a photo gallery, but i love the twitter-like concepts and the modern-ness of it. This has a world of potential, keep in mind this isnt even version 1... we're looking at a work in progress and my mouth is dropped.

meh, it has a long way to go. Like really long way before catching up with IPB and vBulletin, heck I'd even put free solutions like MyBB and vanilla ahead of it still.

Some of the [url=http://admincommunity.com/content/articles/forum-articles/xenforo-forum-software/first-look-at-five-refreshing-xenforo-features-r49]Xenforo Features[url] look pretty amazing.