vBulletin will continue to sell reliable software, I don't doubt that; however, when such a majority of original staff leave a company they devoted a lot of time and passion into it has to be a big deal.

This is of course all speculative but I am disheartened by all the staff members leaving. It's like going into your favorite bar and realizing that there's a whole new crowd, it'd be ignorant to expect the same atmosphere.

I am waiting for vBulletin 4 - I think that is a fair first assessment of the new staff and environment..

yep, exactly what i said.


I never used it and i wish there's a way to remove it. the same spot where vb set it too. I have it placed so go figure.


Honestly i really don't care what happens !.I see business come and go and some go bankrupt.Running a business is not easy and seeing that a few guys leave in the heat of the moment,something is going on.No matter how you guys sugar coat it.

Actually, vBulletin 4.0 won't be the farest assessment of the new team, but vB 5 will be. All devs gave to the vB 4.0 SVN, so it doesn't truly reflect on the current team.

Well everyone knows Floris stepped down due to IB changing his contract and what seems like not supporting/caring about his medical condition. That seemed to start the avalanche of just about every non-US based Jelsoft employee leaving rather soon behind him.

Scott McVair? left "due to sanity" reasons, and the others have been pretty hush on their reasons. Kerry-Anne I beleive is done in a few days as well there and while purely specualtive I don't think Steve will be to far behind once he's the last of the original staff there.

It pretty much seems that IB either wants to move everything state-side for whatever reason, of the former/current Jelsoft didn't agree with the future vision of vBulletin (also a reason Floris was going to leave soon any way).

so that pretty much will leave Jelsoft up to some new coding/faces of the community starting today. I doubt any one of them introduces themselves or an announcement made about them, and that.

Also, don't count on vB.org being here much longer in its current form. Soon as they finish off with the main product and whatever plans they have going on with that, this place will be the next target of either monetization or simply killed off perhaps.

And you're getting all of this from where?

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...=870249&page=2

Pretty much has it all.

That was an interesting read.

But you need to read this bit too

I think we need to keep a level head with all thats changing, if there are new changes happening then we should trust VB to make the best choice in the long run. I'm sure they have their customers insterest at heart.

Or we can run and shout "Battle Stations" Panic and create a sense of unrest, choice is yours.

I feel we need to give the future of VB a chance, rather than closing in like a bunch of vultures, ready to put the slightest whim into bad light. We need to stop all this negative thinking and saying "I like VB before, when everyone was onboard" its never going to be like that again! so forget it. New Products, New team = Positive outlook for VB.

How about we give them that chance??

Mmmm... He was in jelsoft, and after that comment it makes me and other people cautious about vB's future outlook.

Well - at the same time - there has been umpteen posts about IB being in it for the money - if that is the only reasoning behind all of the recent changes, shifts, resignations, etc. -- then one can logically deduce that is in the best interest of IB to put out a fabulous product. I too found it interesting what Floris said "And I still believe vBulletin is market-leader for a reason. Converting over to free alternatives such as SMF or phpBB or commercial alternatives such as IPB or UBB, honestly feels like a downgrade." --- Ergo - if you are worried about the immediate future of the 4.0 series - then I'd say it's safe to say "don't worry - be happy" --- But yes - One interesting human condition that many of us share in common: worry. I think all the speculation I've seen in so many threads & sites around the net only adds to that. 3 cheers that vBulletin/IB will soon introduce some novel concepts to alleviate all the worry and such, so that we fellow vBNerds can continue to enjoy the most innovative online interactive software currently available :)

Jacquii.

ps -- Hmmmm - I do wonder about some comments made about the vB.org site - Will certainly be interesting to see what actually comes about.