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DannyITR 12-14-2006 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
Just one thing, when you told DannyITR that Zoints Autonomous provides everything he asked for, does this include getting rid of /z/ that he mentioned too? I thought this wasn't possible?


I wasn't aware of the autonomous system and I'll definitely look into it. Yes getting rid of the /z/ is paramount or at least using wildcard domains so I can have username.domain.com. When I registered at zoints.com the first thing it said was that my profile is now dannyitr.zoints.com so obviously its possible. It wouldn't make sense for zoints to use that system and not offer it to its users. I'm sure DChapman just forgot to mention how we can do it.

Zoints 12-14-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cfspinner (Post 1138399)
I installed zoints, but can't seem to find how to get to it, and now, when i click on my name to get to my profile, i get file not found!

HELP!

It sounds like you turned on the mod_rewrite option and didn't upload the .htaccess

In the zip file we provided, there is a folder call "rewrite". Upload the .htaccess file in there to /z/

Zoints 12-14-2006 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
DChapman, I think we all respect what you are doing with Zoints:) I do anyway:) But when you compare it to the likes of a Virtual Highway with interconnecting routes, everyone knows that the towns people like to see business coming into their community, but not going out of it. For you, the government (lol) you want to give your people the freedom and become economically sound, but as with real life, the oul corner shop just wont be able to compete with the big Supermarket that has just opened 500 metres down the road.

The big supermarket in this case is MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, etc. How do you compete with huge entities like Wal Mart, Home Depot, and those enormous supermarket chains you're referring to? You band together in a loose affiliation. For instance, there is a carpet and tile store down the street from me. There's no way they could compete with Homedepot on price if they went at it alone. But because they have joined into an organization of like small tile/carpet stores across the country (I think it's called Carpet One or something like that) they get the buying power of the huge affiliation and can compete on price.

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
The customers start to go to the bigger shops where they can get everything that was in the smaller, specialist shops but it's more convenient because it's all under the same roof.

Sometimes, yes. That's why MySpace now has over 120 million members and most forums are seeing flat activity rates despite increasing numbers of registrations.

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
This relates to traffic being taken away from the smaller sites with zoints and probably ending up at a bigger site with a broader range of forums where people can get responses to their questions quicker and everything else that a bigger site has over the smaller guys, by just using the one account to log in to.

It's about carving out your niche and differentiating yourself. If you start a forum that is exactly like 35 other (and larger) general discussion forums on the net, then you're likely going to fail with or without Zoints. But if you create a general discussion community that is somehow different and offers what others do not, then you have a chance to succeed. Zoints isn't going to make or break anyone. In the end, that rests with you and you have nobody to blame but yourself if you fail and nobody to congratulate but yourself if you succeed. We're simply trying to increase your chance of success by providing solutions that are designed to solve the three problems you WILL face: member acquisiton, member retention, and profitability. Anyone can write a hack, but nobody else has identified the exact issues forum owners face and is actively working to resolve them.

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
We're not putting the time, effort and money into our sites just to end up sending everyone off to the big sites, even though it could benefit the internet population as a whole, even still, there's just no point in it for us.

Why doesn't everyone live in the big cities of the USA? Why aren't all 300 million of us in New York, Los Angeles, etc? Because not everyone likes that life. For my "home community" I personally prefer a smaller forum where everyone knows me and vice versa. And then I head off to a dozen other sites each day that cover other niches I am interested in.

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
If you want to look at it in extremities, Zoints could also one day be void because it's job has been done, it's brought everyone together, all the smaller sites are no more and the bigger sites can now advertise and there will be no need for Zoints or for smaller, specialist sites. This is of course an extreme but could eventually happen if things went absolutely to plan.

So I don't think this would be good for any of us.

It's pretty simple. Hundreds of communities are utilizing the free autonomous system with quite a few more joining per day. I am deluged by requests from phpbb, invision, smf, and other communities running various software requesting to utilize this system. Many people love and share our vision. Everyone has their own preference and should do what they feel is best for their community. Zoints is innovating. We're not interested in sticking with the status quo. Here is a good read by a VC / startup expert who I respect a great deal. How many of those can Zoints check off? ;)

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Originally Posted by pokerie (Post 1138428)
Just one thing, when you told DannyITR that Zoints Autonomous provides everything he asked for, does this include getting rid of /z/ that he mentioned too? I thought this wasn't possible?

With the autonomous license, you can rename /z/ to whatever you want without trouble. You just can't have domain.com/username otherwise the system will break. username.domain.com is theoretically possible with a load of modifications to server settings and .htaccess, but we don't support it or guarantee it will work.

Chadi 12-14-2006 07:46 PM

I did not see these info in the original post:

Administrative Options:

Can I have any member side changes put in moderation queue first?
Can we enable per usergroup(s) of choice instead of globally?

cfspinner 12-14-2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DChapman (Post 1138568)
It sounds like you turned on the mod_rewrite option and didn't upload the .htaccess

In the zip file we provided, there is a folder call "rewrite". Upload the .htaccess file in there to /z/

No luck. Uploaded the .htaccess as instructed and it still gives me file not found errors when trying to get to any user profile.

DannyITR 12-14-2006 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DChapman (Post 1138602)
With the autonomous license, you can rename /z/ to whatever you want without trouble. You just can't have domain.com/username otherwise the system will break. username.domain.com is theoretically possible with a load of modifications to server settings and .htaccess, but we don't support it or guarantee it will work.

Huh? What about when I joined zoints.com.

http://dannyitr.zoints.com

Why can you do it but leave other sites to fend for themselves with no help? BTW I currently have usernmae.domain.com working for my VB right now. I wonder if installing zoints will affect it or not. Anyways mabye I'll give it a shot.

pokerie 12-14-2006 10:25 PM

Hi again DC,
You provided valid points in all your replies. It's obvious we both want what's best, both for ourselves and for everyone. And yes, about the "niche" community, I fully understand, we are a poker site, I'd say almost every one our members knows of twoplustwo.com, the biggest poker forum on the net, but I'd say a lot of them post on poker.ie more, it's Irish and it's a small community, which as you know, some people prefer. There is also the extra hustle and bustle of city life on the larger forums, you can't keep up with topics because there are so many replies etc.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it a task some times to catch up on a topic when you log back in and see it has loads of replies.


I'm just expressing my fears of losing the small community that I have.

I'm just not sure if connecting with others would give me more "buying power" in the same sense as the tile shop. I wouldn't consider my site in any way in competition with myspace/youtube etc, they are just completely different. Are you saying you want to band all forums together so Zoints will be up there amongst the likes of myspace and youtube? I respect your ideas and goals, but again, I'm worried about the small guys.


Regarding the /z/, would it not just be a case of excluding the likes of sitename.com/contactus from the list? Talking to SirAdrian from vblogetin.com, he is making it possible to have blog URLs at www.sitename.com/username or www.sitename.com/blogtitle by making exceptions for all content currently at a .com/content address. Would it be possible to make an addition to the software to allow sitename.com/username or username.sitename.com so there would be no need for additional hacks etc?

Zoints 12-14-2006 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chadi (Post 1138689)
I did not see these info in the original post:

Administrative Options:

Can I have any member side changes put in moderation queue first?
Can we enable per usergroup(s) of choice instead of globally?

Neither of those are features at this time, sorry.

Zoints 12-14-2006 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cfspinner (Post 1138722)
No luck. Uploaded the .htaccess as instructed and it still gives me file not found errors when trying to get to any user profile.

Go to /z/zadmin.php > edit install settings > uncheck the mod_rewrite box and save. See if you're able to access profiles at that point.

Zoints 12-14-2006 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyITR (Post 1138757)
Huh? What about when I joined zoints.com.

http://dannyitr.zoints.com

Why can you do it but leave other sites to fend for themselves with no help?

The code on Zoints.com isn't the same as Zoints Local. We haven't tested username.domain.com because that isn't how Zoints Local is designed and even if it does work, the process of setting up those subdomains is not easy for most people (and most shared hosts wouldn't even allow it). It would turn into a support nightmare. If we had infinite resources and time, sure, we'd love to help with it. Nobody likes telling other people no.


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