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Ted S 11-11-2008 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desmomax (Post 1663586)
Ok.. i understand.. but so a guest is free to see all the threads..

This addon works with front-end pages and stops people from viewing them or shows a message while they continue to view them depending on your settings. It does not affect the archive.

effeff70 11-15-2008 06:01 PM

i did it.... THX

Ted S 11-15-2008 08:59 PM

I am looking for ideas for the next upgrade of this addon.

The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions as well.

Megatr0n 11-15-2008 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1666400)
I am looking for ideas for the next upgrade of this addon.

The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions as well.

So, there isn't any updates for this hack?

eglyntine 11-16-2008 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1666400)
I am looking for ideas for the next upgrade of this addon.

The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions as well.

This would be extremely helpful. I have a Parenting Board and they like their privacy but I don't want to drive away new members just because they can't see the forums. This add-on was a great compromise for me but I have had the issue that ppl can just clear cookies and start all over again so I've had to limit the open forums greatly. With this kind of update I could open up more forums and possibly attract more members.

Thanks for all of the work you've done on this btw, it's a wonderful add-on! :)

AdrianH 11-16-2008 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1666400)
I am looking for ideas for the next upgrade of this addon.

The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions as well.

This is what I would like to see Ted.

nakedzero 11-16-2008 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CareyCrew (Post 1666583)
The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

This should be really gr8. Please add this option and update as soon as possible :)

Rene Kriest 11-16-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts
I second that.

Your add-on really is the best compromise for keeping a certain standard of privacy in public forums. You did an outstandig job regarding this add-on.

As once the awesome Warriors of Time in a breathtaking demo on the legendary C64 stated: Membership has privileges. This is also true for forums. :)

RedDevil 11-16-2008 11:58 AM

nice add on installed.

Martell 11-16-2008 03:08 PM

Hi Ted S, and if to disconnect cookies it is possible to go on a forum under the pretext of search engine bots :confused:

Ted S 11-16-2008 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martell (Post 1666852)
Hi Ted S, and if to disconnect cookies it is possible to go on a forum under the pretext of search engine bots :confused:

I'm not following your question... You can read about how the addon works with bots in the first post and the install file.

nando99 11-16-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1666400)
I am looking for ideas for the next upgrade of this addon.

The most common request I've received so far is to store access in the database making it harder for people to get around the block attempts (i.e. they can not just clear cookies). If this is something you would like please post to this thread indicating that. Based on feedback I will decide if this should be added (as an option of course).

Just installed but I love to see the update mentioned above...

thanks for a great mod

Martell 11-16-2008 05:34 PM

Well. What difference between versions 1.2.1 and 1.2.2?
Has Compared the files, all equally, differences has not seen.

Ted S 11-16-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martell (Post 1666946)
Well. What difference between versions 1.2.1 and 1.2.2?
Has Compared the files, all equally, differences has not seen.

There are no changes other than a version check upgrade. No need to apply the upgrade if you already have 1.2.1 installed.

Martell 11-16-2008 07:09 PM

Thanks Ted S ;)

Ted S 11-17-2008 02:27 AM

Look for version 2.0 of this addon featuring database logging coming soon. To participate in the beta of this new version please contact me.

Nadeemjp 11-17-2008 04:37 AM

was looking for this mod all the way.
i have installed "hide links from guest users"
would there be a problem to use both?

Ted S 11-17-2008 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadeemjp (Post 1667256)
was looking for this mod all the way.
i have installed "hide links from guest users"
would there be a problem to use both?

No idea. Most authors don't check against other addons unless an issue is reported so you best bet is to install and try. If things don't work remove the addon.

msolano 11-17-2008 06:29 PM

Installed, and I'm very happy with this kind of add-on that give an extra value to our registered users. Thank you so much.

eglyntine 11-23-2008 07:16 AM

Hey Ted, I installed the upgrade that is supposed to check IP's so that a person can't just clear their cookies and continue to read. Initially I just upgraded and I was still able to clear cookies and keep reading. Then I uninstalled it completely and reinstalled and I'm still able to clear cookies and keep reading.

Is there something else I need to turn on that I'm missing?

vBulletin version: 3.7.4 P1
LGV version: 3.7 Upgrade
Website Address: http://www.houseofparents.com
Browser: FireFox 3.0.4

eglyntine 11-23-2008 07:18 AM

Right after I posted the previous message I decided just on a whim to check IE and see if it might be a Firefox issue aaaand. It works perfectly in IE, but I can still view the forums through Firefox 3.0.4, IE is v.7 so maybe it's just a Firefox issue. I don't run Safari so I couldn't tell you what happens with it.

mmoore5553 11-23-2008 10:05 PM

i would love to beta test

Ted S 11-24-2008 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eglyntine (Post 1671084)
Hey Ted, I installed the upgrade that is supposed to check IP's so that a person can't just clear their cookies and continue to read. Initially I just upgraded and I was still able to clear cookies and keep reading. Then I uninstalled it completely and reinstalled and I'm still able to clear cookies and keep reading.

Is there something else I need to turn on that I'm missing?

vBulletin version: 3.7.4 P1
LGV version: 3.7 Upgrade
Website Address: http://www.houseofparents.com
Browser: FireFox 3.0.4

Did you follow the instructions to turn on the IP logging?

hymoo 11-24-2008 10:06 AM

Doesn't this mod conflict with vbseo? I'm highly interested in this mod since it will increase membersignups for sure but if traffic decreases.

Please let me know!

eglyntine 11-24-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1671755)
Did you follow the instructions to turn on the IP logging?

I did have everything turned on that was displaying like the instructions indicated but the IP Logging options weren't displaying. It was almost like it didn't really delete the previous version. I finally ended up doing another re-install and it showed up and is working fine now. :) Thanks again for your help!

N.

Ted S 11-24-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hymoo (Post 1671878)
Doesn't this mod conflict with vbseo? I'm highly interested in this mod since it will increase membersignups for sure but if traffic decreases.

Please let me know!

See the main thread which specifically addresses this question.

Ted S 11-24-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eglyntine (Post 1672147)
I did have everything turned on that was displaying like the instructions indicated but the IP Logging options weren't displaying. It was almost like it didn't really delete the previous version. I finally ended up doing another re-install and it showed up and is working fine now. :) Thanks again for your help!

N.

Great! Let me know if you encounter any other issues.

onehost 11-24-2008 10:50 PM

Exactly what is the point in forcing somone to do something you want them to do...? all they will do is register, take/view what they want, and be gone...because if they have no intentions of staying then they wont, all you have done is forced them to create an account and thats it...9 out of 10 people mostly never return...and how is that number going to change by doing force registrations? and if guests are blocked by limitations, how about search engines? are they blocked also

onehost 11-24-2008 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eglyntine (Post 1671084)
Hey Ted, I installed the upgrade that is supposed to check IP's so that a person can't just clear their cookies and continue to read. Initially I just upgraded and I was still able to clear cookies and keep reading. Then I uninstalled it completely and reinstalled and I'm still able to clear cookies and keep reading.

Is there something else I need to turn on that I'm missing?

vBulletin version: 3.7.4 P1
LGV version: 3.7 Upgrade
Website Address: http://www.houseofparents.com
Browser: FireFox 3.0.4

why totaly rely on cookies for the ip...as a typical ip can change, why not
use the actual hostname? I guess anyone could just as easy change an ip
as they are not constant...but how easy is it to avoid your hostname, other
then going over to a friends house, thus using another connection.

IE:

The IP Address is: 92.113.147.159
The host name is: 159-147-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net

Tomorrow this IP number may change, but the host name will not...vb uses
this in their ip tracking/banning options.

however, I am not 100% certain on how all this works...whoever is
working on this hack probably would have a better understanding
on what I am talking about and if it would work or not.

Ted S 11-25-2008 12:26 AM

Host names can change just as easily as the IP and generally if one is dynamic the other is as well. Take a look at your example where there hostname is the ip (backwards) followed by the host's address. There are some isps who keep constant subnets but it's not common to let one id change and not the other as the two are usually related.

Remember, unlike bans we're working to get a 1-to-1 relationship so identifying entire host subnets would be ineffective. IPs are also limited as they can change and are duplicated by some ISPs which is why I did not include this initially.

The reality of the internet is that there is absolutely no way to insure someone is the same person when they return to a site.

Ted S 11-25-2008 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehost (Post 1672308)
Exactly what is the point in forcing somone to do something you want them to do...? all they will do is register, take/view what they want, and be gone...because if they have no intentions of staying then they wont, all you have done is forced them to create an account and thats it...9 out of 10 people mostly never return...and how is that number going to change by doing force registrations? and if guests are blocked by limitations, how about search engines? are they blocked also



As far as why, well as fool.com will tell you, requesting a simple data capture on content pages has huge results. Does forcing someone to register guarantee they will post? Absolutely not. However once someone registers you have the opportunity to engage them 1-on-1 via email whether it be the welcome email, a reminder email, newsletter or any other communication piece you're now talking to someone. Additionally once someone has an account they can contribute without having to go through any hurtles. Think about it, someone viewing a page may not want much more involvement but at 10 views or 20 views or 50 views if they haven’t participated in any form do they necessarily know they can? Is a message telling them to register something forced or something helpful? Many sites find that the people who use this sort of message and/ or block find their experience better because they have a next step [a conversion goal] and that people participate once they’ve engaged enough to reach this stage and are given a push to register.

That said the user experience is the most important part of your site and something you should never ever, ever ignore. Of course forcing someone to do something sounds horrible with this in mind each admin has to think about how they want to set things and at what point their ability to drive goals (registrations) outweighs interfering with the user. A smart site customizes their block message, gives users options and provides value. Simply blocking people on 2 views is likely not going to get the results or response one wants but that’s not the point here. On the other hand, giving them a warning at 5 views, a lock at 15 and options to help them decide what to do as well as a way to participate, get answers, share, etc… is value and that’s a great experience.

Again, each admin has to decide how to best reach their goals while maintain a good balance of benefits for guests and members.

It looks like you didn't read the main post or install file but no worries, I'll explain things again. Spiders don't generally accept cookies and thus aren't subject to this addon [which is cookie based] unless someone sets things to block guests at 0 views which is possible but not how this addon should be used (just restricting the guest group would be more logical). Additionally the addon is hardcoded to skip bots with the hostname google, yahoo, aol and msn. This doesn't make things perfect of course hence why this is well documented in the addon install file but to date no verified issues have been brought foward.

daydie 11-25-2008 09:41 AM

one question before i download,

Does this also stop google from searching my forum after so many?

Ted S 11-25-2008 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daydie (Post 1672583)
one question before i download,

Does this also stop google from searching my forum after so many?

Please read the main thread which directly addresses this question.

goldnote 11-26-2008 07:57 PM

Installed
My first add-on, no problems at all. Thank You Ted

vip-q.com 12-01-2008 03:23 AM

thanks, but after those changes, what about bots ??

Ted S 12-01-2008 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vip-q.com (Post 1676170)
thanks, but after those changes, what about bots ??

Please read the main thread, specifically the part about spiders that's highlighted in blue.

Adam21 12-01-2008 11:09 AM

Does this mod still support vb3.80beta4?

Ted S 12-01-2008 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam21 (Post 1676370)
Does this mod still support vb3.80beta4?

I do not test or develop addons for beta versions as they frequently change. If you want to find out compatibility with a beta you will have to install it yourself.

Fungsten 12-01-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam21 (Post 1676370)
Does this mod still support vb3.80beta4?

I installed it on 3.8 B4 and it works.

eglyntine 12-06-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted S (Post 1672397)

As far as why, well as fool.com will tell you, requesting a simple data capture on content pages has huge results. Does forcing someone to register guarantee they will post? Absolutely not. However once someone registers you have the opportunity to engage them 1-on-1 via email whether it be the welcome email, a reminder email, newsletter or any other communication piece you're now talking to someone. Additionally once someone has an account they can contribute without having to go through any hurtles. Think about it, someone viewing a page may not want much more involvement but at 10 views or 20 views or 50 views if they haven’t participated in any form do they necessarily know they can? Is a message telling them to register something forced or something helpful? Many sites find that the people who use this sort of message and/ or block find their experience better because they have a next step [a conversion goal] and that people participate once they’ve engaged enough to reach this stage and are given a push to register.

That said the user experience is the most important part of your site and something you should never ever, ever ignore. Of course forcing someone to do something sounds horrible with this in mind each admin has to think about how they want to set things and at what point their ability to drive goals (registrations) outweighs interfering with the user. A smart site customizes their block message, gives users options and provides value. Simply blocking people on 2 views is likely not going to get the results or response one wants but that’s not the point here. On the other hand, giving them a warning at 5 views, a lock at 15 and options to help them decide what to do as well as a way to participate, get answers, share, etc… is value and that’s a great experience.

Again, each admin has to decide how to best reach their goals while maintain a good balance of benefits for guests and members."



I have a parenting site and most of my members do not like the fact that anyone can just "lurk" on the site and read about their issues and they don't know who they are. And while *I* know it's the internet and if you are going to post personal stuff on an internet site you might as well take an ad out in the AP, these ppl think that if they have restrictions and private forums then they are safe.

I run into the dilemma do I shut the whole board down to unregistered ppl or do I tell my members to suck up and deal with it? This add-on gives me the opportunity to compromise. I can set it up where certain General forums can be viewed by guests and the other forums with more personal details are kept away from non-registered ppl.

I also have it set up to where after the viewing of one thread it tells the person they need to register to view more and once they have registered we have a welcoming committee that leaves Welcome messages on their visitor page to help break the ice and then we encourage the new members to post an intro in our Introductions forum.

So far since I've put in this add-on and created the Welcoming Committee, 9 out of every 10 ppl that register have become active members. Before the addon there was no reason to register because they could read without having to interact and when I shut it down to unregistered user, they wouldn't come by cause there was nothing to encourage them to want to be a part of the site. It's a good balance you need to find to get ppl to participate and I'm still working on it daily but it is slowly working for me.

Great Add-on Ted, and when used like it's designed to be used it really is very helpful. Thanks again for your work.


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