That's a good sugestion for compromise. At least people can do research.

I've been involved in many technical forums and even here (the heart of discussion for the actual vehicle) we have politics and issues.

It is not different anywhere is it? :D

BTW: I'm a newb and I highly appreciate the people who make these hacks and mods. It takes time and planning as well as patience. On one of my sites I did a tutorial for building a specific peice of equipment and it took me a month of planning, taking pics, writing the descriptions, renaming the pics and resizing them. I enjoyed it and the outcome was great, but it can be thankless at times.

Since I have no idea what happened I hope everyone works it out.

Thanks again!

The 3.6 Template Change / Upgrade Discussions within this thread have been moved to a new thread, here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=118711

Please try and keep on-topic :)

Chris

Instead of seperating the members here in terms like "license holders" and "non-license holders"; how about using a more suitable designation like "coders" and "noncoders". In that context you will find it easier to understand why some forums may not be for everyone.

Why seperate the members any further then liscensed or unliscensed? Creating social status' lead to many inferiortiy problems :lol:

The value of the License Jelsoft sells us is directly related to the access of this forum. Is is unfair to segregate paying customers in any way shape or form other then to keep staff forums private.

Until you pay more then others for a license, which we all need to pay for to play with code here, then you are entitled to no more then the guy that just got his license today.

This is becoming a business issue and that is not what Jelsoft needs. This needs to be fixed immediaty.

Another case of everyone wants to be treated fair and the same, but also wants to be able to be split up in different groups, and clicks and feel they are better then people who cant/dont code

classic

That is what the "other" vB coding sites are for. Paying customers should not be treated this way by any company.

you guys are so dramatic. It is not 'directly related' whatsoever. As far as I know there's nothing in my license saying I get access to .org, that upon access I must be able to read the coders forum. Its a service that is provided for legitimate customers to help them to modify their boards. If members at .org want access to the coders forum they can release a modification, its pretty simple. If the few of you are so hell bent on making coding discussion public, start talking about code in public forums. By taking private forum away from the coders you're just going to kill all talk of coding.

If you want a coding discussion that all customers should have access to, use the .com ones. That's why they're there.

Are you going to bat for "coders" for some reason? Do you have a dog in this hunt?

I see several people in this thread who are "for" opening up the private coders forum. When the official results from the official "thread I cannot mention without my post being deleted" are tallied, please be sure to tabulate in the results from THIS thread, as well, from those who were not able to participate in the vote.

Yes, to me the coders are the lifeblood of this site. If they want a private forum for talking then they should have one. Its a very small thing for the contributions they give.
I see several people who aren't. We agree to disagree on the issue.

Your access to this forum and vBulletin.com's forum is a privilege, not a right.

Some good points there noppid :bunny:

True in one sense, but in another sense when you pay for a vB license you also pay for some form of support and part of it is in the form of forums, at least at vB.com. :)

Support is still done via the ticket system. If someone gets to the point where they are banned here or at vB.com (and that does happen from time to time) they will always be able to get free support via the members area.

Using these public forums are a privilege, and if you abuse that privilege it can be taken away from you. That does not happen very often because we are all customers and Jelsoft does not want us leaving over an issue on the forum, but it does happen sometimes.

People need to keep that in mind. Your $160 + $30 a year does not buy the right to make trouble here. Not that anyone in this thread is doing that, but I wanted to point this out to everyone.

Ya know what., I hope you all enjoy your private forum, but remember, it's just a few that don't want to help the open community anyway. We don't need them or their attitudes anyway.

Please do go private and stay there. I'll be with the regular people.

who left? I soured on Jelsoft reps, employees, whatever ages ago and havent been by until 3.6 came out. Have to bite the bullet and see if theres some changes I needed to make for the couple of hacks I have installed.

That's a great idea. I'll buy you a beer if I see ya out there. Thanks for the tip.

Why does it matter so much? Trust me -- there's nothing exciting in the Coders Discussion forum. It's just some of the coders here on the site exchanging tips and getting their questions answered. Would you like pictures?

Until he removed his modifications, noppid was a member of the forum, so he should/would be aware of what it contains. :)

I got a question. Which one came first, The chicken or the egg?

Kind of like the discussion about the codes and the coders. Without embracing the code there is no need for coders, and without embracing the coders there is no code.

I say there needs to be financial incentives from jelsoft to people who become 'Master Coders' and continue to support their hacks.

This way coders will strive to become "Master Coders" on the site, to not only get the name and recognition, but they would get incentives (money, discounts, can discuss this part later etc.)

To become a master coder, it would need to be more difficult then it is currently, only those people who are releasing quality hacks, supporting them, and who constantly work on releasing new hacks (requested hacks) etc. would get the title.

We need to make it a big thing to be a "master coder"

just my 2 cents.

If the coders forum is for tips and tricks....I assume that means that more tutorials are comming? It doesn't make sense to me to hide the knowledge of how things work from people unless there is a benifit to everyone that comes from it.

cool, that's an idea I don't think I've heard yet. Innovative thinking.

Are you people still harping on this issue? Geeeesh.... get a freaking life.

I'm trying to get my life, but now I can't locate it. lol

This thread has gone entirely too much off topic. If you have any further suggestions feel free to submit your suggestions to the current townhall thread found here:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=119069