OT: kinda lol

Can we restore the vb.org database back to May 10th? please? That way, JumpD's threads would still be there, and this thread is non-existant. :(

I love this site and hate to see all of this.

I'd like to know which mod deleted all of JumpD's hack threads 12 hours after the attachments were removed, and why.

Then I'll be able to offer up at least one solution to better the vb.org community: Get rid of that mod.



Oh, and one more solution: Undelete the threads. They were a great resource that helped us all, and will continue to do so in the future. I can't say the same for the immature mod who gives in to retaliatory, knee-jerk reactions without concern for the community as a whole.

The irony is, most of us are mods ourselves. We're not idiots. We know how these things work. So get over the obvious need for oneupmanship and let's try and steer a ship that helps us all.

Jump asked for them to be pulled. =/

Yeah, I went back and re-read. I completely agree with you.

To clarify... yes, he removed the attachments. But he acknowledged that current users could keep enjoying his hacks and referencing the support threads. Of course he was reacting to the current tension. Maybe it would have blown over and he'd come back, with some solid changes in place around here.

But not with the kind of mod response he was met with. This action needs to be reviewed.

I notice there is other coder know started to remove their attachment file mmmmm.

Who, pray tell?


Let me know so I can go to those threads and save them as offline text, cuz apparently they'll be deleted soon, too.

:tired:

Wouldn't it be best if an admin made an announcement explaining how they will go about fixing all this so called "coder rebellion" :D

And I'm sure when the staff does come up with ideas for changes, the members here will be the first to know. Changes don't happen overnight. ;)

Some do. ;)

I would like to see some of those changes too, Paul; some others too.

Yes, unfortunaetly, some do :D

I'm sure a couple of you all new my post was comming as i too have posted a thread like this that got similar posts ;)... By the way, i leave for about a week or so and you guys start this without me!? Hehe. Anyways, here's my $0.02:

The History?
When i first joined vb back in the 2.3.x days it was all about firefly, chen, etc. From the simple quick reply hack that became beyond popular and already implemented to Lesane's store hack who's concept still holds today, it is obvious that coders have built the foundation and dare i say "backbone" for the vbulletin.org in which we know today.

[HIGH]The Present
[/HIGH]It has become nothing short than obvious that personal vendettas have led to community disputes for a long time now. Like many people here mention, us coders are part of the reason in which users come to vbulletin and the only reason a user would even think about comming to vbulletin.org Also, as someone mentioned, without coders, there would be no vbulletin.org to hold modifications made by us. Without the extra modifications made by us, the expansion and a lot of the already implemented add ons in which our coding has resulted in would not exist. That being non existant means vbulletin being nothing more than an ipb or phpbb or even an ezboard.

The Present Issues
It is obvious that us coders seek just a little bit more in return. If not for the money in which we have made for vbulletin or the optomization in which we have made possible for users to have, then atleast for the time and dedication put into each bit of coding.

[HIGH]Zach[/HIGH] - I believe that you made the statement about coders not making up the community and the users being the blood of this forum. Answer me this question, without us coders, why would users come here? You also made the point of people comming and leaving being a cycle, in regards to that, ask yourself how much faster this cycle has been going as vbulletin.org has gotten older. Need i say more?

[HIGH]Tony[/HIGH] - I agree with you as far as you not showing lack of professionalism by being blunt and atleast attending to issues regardless of the cause or solution (if any). However, at times your ability to be so blunt and at times possibly ignorant has led to a bit of dispute.

My Suggestions
Ask not what your coders can do for you, but what you can do for your coders?

• A hack database - Hopefully all of this anticipation will lead to an actual result. This will allow for a more organized modification thread and way of handling bugs and such, which then will lead to less complaints of users not being attended to.
• A place for commercial scripts to be posted - We help you, why not help us? We are allowed to post the light versions, is having an area to promote or premium version so bad?
• More input and idea spread amongst from all usergroups - It's always coders vs staff vs members i've noticed. If everyone would input and put yourself in eachother's shoes, a relation can lead to a resolution.
• Coder of the month - It's nice to show what hack has been most useful, but why not make it more personal?
• Vbulletin Coder Teams - Lets learn to work with eachother more. Why not form our own development teams and such and have competitions? Perhaps a purpose for a modification can be set and the team who codes and designs it best wins and stuff. Competition creates more work and fun as well as more communication.
• Keep Personal Issues Personal - Pretty Self Expanitory.

The Vbulletin Meeting/Chat
Let it be known that i too (right with Revan), will be going to war if i am not part of this chat :p. Hopefully my years of experience with vbulletin as both a rookie user to a rather experienced coder will help as far as what i can input and bring to the dialogue. Just send me a pm here or email to gio@dopegfx.com :p

I want all the coders here to do this:

Open up a corner grocery store and demand that your customers respect and honor you because withjout you, they would have to walk further to get their groceries, and then send me your sales totals for the first week.

Um... what?

How long would you be in business if you craped on all your suppliers?


Get real

No one is asking for honor boofo. Apparently you are getting the impression that some people are looking for sympathy and appraisal. I frown upon sympathy and those who feed off it. However, i also frown upon those who fail to realize that there very purpose for being where they are now is credited to those who they fail to appreciate.

I want you to do this:
Ask all the coders to leave vbulletin.org and come back and see what purpose you have here as a moderator.

Without customers, there would be no need for coders. Appreciation should come from within for a job well done, not from someone on the outside. ;)

Just kidding Boofo. :) Anyway, I'm done with these lame arguments. Good luck to world peace.

I'm not talking about suppliers as you are not talking about Jelsoft, and THAT is real. Attitude is more important than any code you will ever write, my friend.

Sorry if i found that a bit irrelevant, however, no where in any of my posts do i express any lack of appreciation towards noncoders. I actually promoted the idea that all usergroups should work together. Also, it is obvious that my customers are what keep money in my wallet and a purpose for my work. The same way us coders keep users buying vbulletin and a reason for people to visit this site :p

Optima, I'm sorry I didn't see what part of your post was meant for me? Could you please elaborate?

First post that actually warranted it, and you're missing the wink!


;)

I am obviously not your friend or you would have never treated me like this. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

If the coders left, I would Moderate the users and future coders and time would march on. Simple as that, sorry to say. I'm a coder, too, and you don't see me throwing my arms in the air saying "recognize me", do you? ;)

Do you have a coupon for that? :D

Yes, you are considered my friend, sir. I'm sorry you feel otherwise. And more to the point, I, myself, didn't treat you in any way other than I always have. ;)

And where have i done so? As far as my coding status, i believe Zachery made it clear that it means nothing :p.

LOL @ Infantrymen

I know you're bigger than to let one or two opinions affect you that much. If I got upset everytime someone said I didn't matter or that I mean nothing, I'd be in a permamnet tizzy, trust me. Be like the duck. ;)

The wink smilie should be banned from this thread.

;) ;) ;) ;)

Hehe. I didn't take it seriously at all, just throwing in some sarcastic humor i guess. I actually like my title. A coder title adds a bit of creditability and such to your status as far as dealing with a customer on here is concerned.

Why? It let's everyone know there should not be any hard feelings in all of this so we can move on to something bigger and better. ;)

Or it implies that you are being sarcastic. ;)

You, personally, know me better than that as well as everyone should. :cross-eyed: (is that better?)

Yep:) I was just suggesting the possibility.

That is not even a slight possibility in my case. ;)

Im not a coder, but I have felt the same way at times. Im sorry to say...

I think the staff of vB should consider this a wake up call. Simply put, some of its most dedicated hack coders are not happy. The question is why and should some things be changed.

This is going to be quite a long post, so I suggest tha you are prepaired to be reading for a alittle while. :p

I?d like to make a few things clear to everyone. I?ve received quite a lot of private messages since this thread I posted. I had non-coding users thanking me for my work and contributions on vB.org. I even a few users asking me to join them with some commercial products soon to come. I?ve spoken to a few people over emails and instant messaging and I want to make it clear that my intentions when making this thread was to tell people how I was feeling, and to leave. I never thought this thread would get as big as it did, I didn?t think a lot of people would agree with me and didn?t think many users felt as I did.

A few things that came up was the fact that I own another hacking community. Some people would say that I?m in competition with vBulletin.org and since the day I opened my site, I?ve always made it clear that I was not in direct competition with vB.org. To the users who think I am. I would like to prove a point.

I opened my site in March of 2004. Since that day, I?ve remained active on this site. Helping users, posting feedback, posting code for staff (to help as much as I could), and even releasing almost 30 hacks. Some hacks I posted here you can?t get at my site, and some hacks I posted at my site you can?t get here. That?s how I wanted it to be. If I was in direct competition with vB.org, then why would I continue to help and support my hacks and users that vist here? Why would I direct users from my site here when they are looking for something that my site cant provide.

I?ve said it once and I keep saying it again. I have not NOT been competting with vB.org since day one. If anyone should understand that, I think Xexon knows best, as I?ve spoken with him privately on occasions.

The other thing I want to point out that this was supposed to be the day I leave and stop being active on vB.org, but after hearing from a lot of the users on this site. It made it hard for me to just leave it behind and not help standup to what I felt was going bad. I can see this turning into something positive and really hope that it can. That?s why I have remained active in this thread. I even helped a member from here while this thread was going on. It?s just not easy for me to see a thread when a member has an issue and helping them out since you know the answer that will slove there problem.

With that said, I would like to remain active on vBorg to see the outcome of this thread. I can say that if something isn?t done soon, members and hackers here will eventually leave and feel as if they were not heard when they voiced there opinions. Here is my suggestion that could help direct this community to a more positive vibe.

The Hacks Database.
The idea of the hacks database is great and will help a lot of members search for things in a much more user-friendlier way. I want to expande on this hacks database idea and bring a few things I had in mind for it.

The first thing is turning the hack authors profile into hack authors profile. Here is a PhotoChop mockup of the idea I had In mind. Users who release modifications should get a profile like this.

Attachment 47510

That?s something I threw together. Obviously this is just an idea/suggestion and could room for improvement. I?m also concerned on how the hacks database will change the look and feel of how hacks and templates are hosted. I think you should muniplulate the way the forums work with the hacks database. When your viewing the hacks list on the forumsdisplay page, you should completely change the feel and look of it. Make it look as if where in a total new area of vBulletin.org.

Make things eaiser to naviagate from. Positition the tables neatly. Give it that good old hacks database look. Here is another mockup I created..

Attachment 47511

I think you get the idea. These are just some of my ideas. I could help create/code etc If needed, but that will be up to the staff. I think changes like this will help the spirt of the community.

The more resorces you give to coders to use, the better we can help support our hacks and bring better quality hacks to life. Having our own bugs systems, feedback system, comments system, faq system, etc will help in more ways the you can imagine. Like I said, I would love to help any to all of these features.

Well you should be. What's the point of having that site if it is not going to offer competition. Lack of competition is what has caused the current conditions here. Competition is good.