Frankly im not here to argue, last comment before i start working on ym site, which needs more attention right now. The reason i would want to remove the other ack, is so that we know whic arcade is TRUELY better lol. The one with paid support or not. Also if v3 wins its obvious his hack of the monthis going to benefit him. for a free hack hotm is a personal satisfaction, for a premium hack hotm is more customers and something to refer to when some one says which is hould install. Please think in all dimensions thanks. Take care

I think this needs to be evaluated. A hack with absolutly no support from the author in the release thread. Instead you have to pay 60 dollars to get support in his premium support section on a seperate site. Yes, there is no rule against that now but I still don't see why the staff can't see how bad that situation is and remove it. It's a sad day when the staff lets that type of situation go on.

I really don't know the reason behind Johns actions. Zero releases his hack and John spends 3 sleepless nights rushing to get an incomplete hack out just to spite Zero. The whole affair smells rotten. Btw, how soon we forget what happened to the last arcade John released.

I just shot soda-pop all over the screen reading that comment about not being fair to the v3Arcade author. I'm now reading about this bru-haha on a few other sites now. It's not looking good for vb.org and it has lowered my and many other respect for this place. Just stating my opinion here...

Technically isn't this hack (v3Arcade) an paid hack since it requires a $60 donation for support?

I think the only reason my name was volunteered by the admins here is because I was burnt by it twice for the last two months. The first I thought was unfair, similar to this case, and the second was absolutely bogus. But there have been others, as TheGeek mentioned.

But for the record, I didn't complain, and wish MrZero didn't have to go through this. I didn't even want my name to be thrown into this as an excuse by Chris, as it's embarrasing, and implies being a spammer.

But I didn't know about the rules, and still don't know where they are. The given rules mentioned here are about the forum, not the contest, even if we accept that as a definition of spam...

The hack itself is free, there is a support thread here for user -> user support and the hack author is not required to give any support at all. Lack of support is not grounds for having it removed from the poll.

Tamarian: your name shouldn't have been mentioned, I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

The rules I quoted do apply to HOTM begin they take place on the forum, although it seems that wasn't clear to everyone and that will be solved starting next month.

ok then, its all right, ill just pm some one to add my vote to somethign else. Thanks for the awesome site!

You forgot to add charging for support isnt grounds either. That's a horrible policy.

Everyone has a right to ask a price for support. There is nothing wrong about it.

In my point of view non on the hacks shall be removed but rules are rules. Even we like it or not.

Perhaps they only like to add facts rather than fiction ?

Can a moderator please remove my vote... It appears my vote got changed to "VBGooglemap: Google maps on your board" and I have no clue (or have the desire to find out at the moment) what this is. I think getting my vote switched to something I didn't vote for constitutes FRAUD.

Your vote is still for whichever you voted for, however due to the removal of ibProArcade, what the system thinks you voted for is different - This only affects what you see, but your vote is still counted for the hack that you originally voted for...

Chris

this is a bug in 3.0.x polls btw... the new 3.5 system have been debugged LONG TIME AGO.. lol

ok, someone else' bug?

im sure its ok if we do our own right?

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=103636

I doubt that's going to last very long ......

fiction? where have you been?

Well, I went out for a meal earlier today, and I was at work yesterday - why, is it relevant to something ?

In many circles, if there is no black and white, there is no case.
IPBArcade should be reinstated.

yea thread got deleted with some bs reasons pm'd to me. whack. theres no justification for deleting the poll i did. how is it trolling and who is spamming any1 to vote on my own poll?

Gawd All Fookin Mighty People..Don't you get it already? once a decision has been met by the vBulletin.org team, it WON'T be reversed, ESPECIALLY in a HotM Poll..You're fighting to win a battle, but you've already lost the war..the actions may not be good in your view, but it's what is called for because of previous actions by other HotM entree's. Don't Like their actions taken? They've already said you can contact Wayne Luke and take that route..nothing's going to change, get over it already.

It doesn't need to be reversed - the process needs to be changed... this current poll is a joke and should not even count - people who cast votes for ibProArcade have had their votes reassigned to the other hacks after ibProArcade was unjustly disqualified for breaking a rule for 1) whose existance is in question as even have been in place at the start of this poll, and 2) Even if it was an "unwritten" rule, it shouldn't even apply to this polling process - if this rule was broken, it should be an administrative infraction against Mr. Zeropage and not against his hack, as has been done here.

Jenta - please PM me with your contact details.

It may be a loosing battle but that does not mean that oppinions do not matter. I don't know about yall but if I was to just go in and cut off a winning part of a poll in the middle of a poll with no rules to back it up my membership would chop my head off does the admin team here even know what spamming is by def:

To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups

Indiscriminately-
1) Not making or based on careful distinctions; unselective
2)Random; haphazard
3)Confused; chaotic
4)Unrestrained or wanton

OK Now correct me if I am wrong but this does not define what was done by Mr. Zero at all. he selected his people that he sent an Email to very carefully from a list of beta testers. That would not be defined as SPAM by any sane minded person. So I to believe that someone needs to take a closer look at the Large mistake that has been made by the Administartion here to Mr. Zero and the other past people that this has been done to.

I don't know why people are continuing to waste their time arguing about this. It's a rule - no promoting your hack in a HOTM vote. We found out it was happening, and like all the previous cases it was removed. This has not changed - and it won't ever change back for anyone, as it would be unfair on all those other contestants who hacks were removed from the poll for promoting it.

I would like to add that we already admitted this months actions will win a beauty contest, and that this rule should be more clearly visible, and that we will change that in the next run of the poll. I don't see what is left to fight about it.

PS Nobody's votes got 'reassigned'.
PSS Paying for support should show in less votes by members if they really cared about that.

hehe. Thats classic. I PMed Erwin before I released GARS. I asked him if I could release it here FOC but with a simple request that support questions were done on thevbgeek.com as it is a pain to support huge projects like that in a single thread.

The only reason GARS is a commercial hack now is because he said 'No'. I was told that Support should not be done outside of .org as it is seen as baiting.

Not that I'm complaining now! I just thought I would point out how inconsistent policies are at times. Sadly it takes a bad situation to point these hic ups out :)

Not really related to the HOTM, but that's just plain silly. It's up to the author how they support something. Even the staff support their hacks using external sites (andreas, journal ....).

They haven't, that's just a poll display bug in 3.0

Yup - very silly, not related to HOTM but very much related to inconsistant rules being applied willy nilly which seems to be a large portion of the topic. ;)

I think since precedents are being utilized to rationalize actions taken by one mod here, then certain other precedents should be taken into consideration. The above logic applies here.

The people have spoken. Reset the poll while there is plenty of time left. Make an announcement to let everyone know that the poll has been reset and close the announcement.

If you are a fan of simplicity then you would implement the above.

Totaly Agree With The Above

It was not the action of a single mod. It has been a team decission (although not all team members where online to participate), and the moderator in question was asked to execute the decission since he had time available.

It was a decision made in haste. Unfortunately this decision is harming the community. Without a community there is no site nor a need for staff.

I may or may not agree with the action taken by a staff member here however there is a public outcry for its reversal. There is no public outcry or even a single member to support the action as of yet.

The numbers add up.

I was only replying to you stating this was the action of a single Moderator.

May I also add that the team decision was made after the fact. But this really does not bear any impact to the issue at hand.

I understand, but its redundant at this point. It doesnt matter who made it or why. I will go out on a limb and say at face value it was the best decision at the time, but that time has passed and now the situation is different.


The end goal here is to maintain a community which is what the rules support via core values. Should the rules not support the communitie's core values then they should be revised. Since the rule in question is implied (not written), then it's revision should be quite efficient and pleasing to the overall community. ;)

You seem to completly forget about all the other times this happened. Why whinge now? Why this one? Nothing was different and nothing has changed in our decision. And this decision was not made in haste or in the heat of the moment. It was discussed with the staff AND the hack author. And I'm sorry, but a few vocal members does not represent the community - we have 110,000 members, and you are like the angry mothers of the community.

All the other hack authors who have had this happened to them are of course upset, but they understand and get over it. I think some of you should just do the same. We are aware the rule wasn't that clear but we had enforced it before so it is not completly oblivious to the "community"

Could i aks on what (wrong) info you base that assumption?
If it doesn't matter, then why you posted that it was a decission by a single moderator.

For the rest see my answer a few posts back.

Maybe you should install the little hack that allows you to close a thread but continue to vote .....

I did not forget. I really dont care what rule you made or what rule you may enforce. You may have to make a rule right now this second to address something. This is normal as our environment is one of constant change. The only thing I care about is the public outcry. This is now a priority of Jelsoft which has become quite prominent as of late.

Tony, do not make the mistake of becoming defensive. Your use of quotes on the word community is to mock me. If you do not agree with the context then do not agree. I am sure you have another outlet for derogatory notions. :)

Those that have an opinion will post and those without one will not. If members are expressing themselves then they are representing their portion of the community. It is a large enough portion to spend 30 minutes reading a thread. That is large enough for me. What are your standards? ;)


To establish credibility of it's haste, nothing more.

You can always decide not to read if the content is not to your liking.

Then i must disappoint you, it was not done in haste, it was discussed by Staff before any action was taken.

How many people make a decision does not define whether the decision was in haste or not, time can only do that.

I personally do not fault anyone here for what has happened. The only mistake to be made now is to not listen to the current outcry of the community.

*sigh*
This will be my last post about the topic.
I posted it was not done in haste, what info you got about staff decissions to state anything else.

Ok, have a Merry Christmas. :)