Now we have a discussion! :)

Is this where we go "wo0t"? :banana: (Thanks for inserting rap. :D)


1. Lyrics is the written but unspoken word. Again, many rap songs have "rock" music in them; many rock songs have rap influences in them.

2. Hip-Hop is what it is. Rap is a component of music, it's just not singing (although many rap songs are accompanied with singing). Music is anything rhythmic, anything harmonious and yes, anything vocal that's presented in an expressive way. Drop beats and/or harmonious tunes over rhymes and viola, you have music.

3. David Bowie is considered Classic Rock.


1. The spoken word is talking (even poetic presentations is considered under this category). Rapping is a rhythmic flow of vocalization that overlays a 4/4 musical pattern similar to rock.

The above is rather an unintelligent statement. Rap, at least the basis of rap, is not gangsta rap. It does not promote violence of any sort. What you read in the papers, see on tv and hear on the radio is the media's sensationalization of rap and Hip-Hop culture. Like with any musical genre, let alone culture, there are bad seeds. Those who exercise violence are the minority and should be dealt with to the extent of the law.

As smacklan mentioned in a previous post, it's rather unfortunate for rap. Though, when rock & roll first came about it too was welcome with hostility by those who did not understand it. Isn't it odd how similar rock is to rap?

I'm not sure where you are getting your so-called facts about RAP but you need to update the nook or look elsewhere for truer facts about it. Everything you've posted in here so far is of your opinion, just like ours, and has nothing to do with facts as far as I can see.

Rock NEVER had the hostility involved with it that RAP does. I Don't remember a whole lot of drive-bys going on when the Guess Who released "American Woman". Maybe I didn't read the paper that day? ;)

I'm glad you don't call it music as well :p

I haven't seen that in bands formed before 1980. Should I remind you again that I'm not talking about modern rock?

Ok, since today I will call every fight with my mother music. It its vocal and expressive, isn't it? :banana:

I haven't heard his music. But as for Aerosmith or Queen, their music is far better than any rap "song" that I've ever heard.

Perhaps you are confusing rap with music like eg Linkin Park that has rap influences?

Then again they weren't taking shots at other artist in American women....

At any rate there have been tons of things thrown around in the 'rock world', although it may not be on the radio depending on where you live. Hell maybe you don't consider it 'real rock' but it still falls in line just like gangster rap is part of the rap movement.

I really don't understand how someone can say rap is bad on the whole just because of the things a few people in the rap movement say. Yet it's perfectly fine for someone to yell how the hate the world and want to kill people at the top of their lungs, as long as it's done with a guitar company.

It's a two way street....and it's not just rock and rap. The same can be said about country music and everything else I'm sure.

The Clasic Rock I grew up listening to didn't have anyone "yelling how the hate the world and want to kill people at the top of their lungs." I think one of he worse songs for being out of the main tream at the time was D.O.A. by Blookdrock. That was quite a departure at the time but was an excellent song.

I think you are confusing Clasic Rock with today's Rock.

I'm not confusing them, I'm trying to point out that you guys are quick to say rap is bad music based on one type of it, while at the same time you split rock up into these nice little sub-groups.

;)

Wow.. obviously the majority of you guys aren't musicians.. yeesh.

I don't think I've ever seen a more narrow-minded group of people.. and I've seen a LOT of them.

I feel like I'm in high school again when I read this thread. "This isn't MUSIC cause I don't like it! blah blah."

Define music then, cause Freesteyelz pretty much summed it up for you and proved everyone wrong.. heh.

PS: Personally, I'm not a huge fan of rap. I like a few artists here and there, and that's about it.. but the artists in rap that I do like, I like more than the majority of any other music I listen to.

Blah, this is pointless.

TBH
Jim Morrison in "The End" shouts "Kill, kill, kill", doesn't he? :p

(See, I'm not narrow minded :p)

You think that because we don't advertise we have ever played in a band that you can tell that from any of our responses? That's narrow minded in itself.

Freesteyelz didn't prove anything. He spewed out so-called facts without any documentation of any kind to back then up. I would call that an opinion and not proving anything.

And Michelle, I am disappointed in you now. What Jim Morrision said in the song was totally different than anything that gets said or yelled in your common rap song. Even you should realize that. Saying it once in a drug-outed moment does even compare.

Notice the smilies in my post please.