I am not sure if I speak for others but, I am sick of hearing about XenForo. ....Good luck to you I applaud the makers of XenForo for branching out on your own, but this is still a vbulletin hack discussion board....Why allow free advertisement for XenForo on an official vbulletin hack site?

Take this discussion to their forum.....

Agreed :) and Voted , and yes lol the persons who has made this Xenforo , are the same persons responsible for designing the interface of vb4 , which created the mess :) lol

They were responsible of the failure of the product at the first place. And also revolting under companies who have sacked up after your failure and then making one of their own is for me a disgrace :)

Rgds
theFM

And vB coders are not even allowed to talk about their mods which extend vB!!!:confused:

No they're not. You have no idea what you're talking about. vBulletin 4's failure is solely the fault of IB management. People are quick to talk bad about Kier or any of the old developers, when they don't realize IB is behind everything that goes on w/vBulletin. Kier had no say in what direction vB was going in, he lost that beginning with vB 3.7.

It's already there just slightly titled different :p point being see below...

Or commercial modifications for that matter yet this thread discussing what is going to be sold around the same price ranges of IPB and vB etc is still open and going. I'm actually thrilled to see something new but other than that I'm not here to bad mouth it either but there's some facts that I see from my point of view.

The facts are this:

vBulletin is out now, thousands use it, some bugs, active site, active modifications, known ways to customize and style.
xenForo is not out now (released for purchase etc), only 1,464 members the other night and I can bet you money someone, somewhere out of all those 1400+ or more when they buy it up will have a bug, there will be at least one bug and I can imagine more. It's being tested in one (or maybe a few but not nearly in the scope of vB not for a while will it be imo) evironment not thousands. Many who have issues I reply to here on vb.org an on vb.com have issues due to how their Host has the server configured or them for that matter or simply not remembering they had done tons of things to their forums over time without cleanup and that's why something went wrong etc yet all this time vBulletin was the bad guy, there's more misconceptions than bugs for the love of whatever you believe in.

Breather people, we can all talk the talk now but until you walk the walk with product in hand your quick wit, humor, or all out smart-arse remarks are pointless including your logic unless you come in this thread directly after my post and say "I'm beta testing, it's marvelous and your wrong" then you don't have one leg to stand on and I'll still want to see the URL but then guess what... the old saying goes "I'd have to see it to believe it" and I'm a coder I want to see files not source code. Just to be clear as some will read this entire statement the wrong way for the love of... again, I'm not against xF but I do think this thread has slightly bent the rules here and I can't even get a reversed infraction to disappear off my usercp info here :p What Marco? Shoot me in the foot later it's 5am here I've been coding all night :o and well that's just how I feel :(.

One thing that it is starting to annoy me at xenforo community is the growing fanboyism of some members there who get all worked up if someone so much as dares to express an opinion that doesn''t agree with their view of xenforo.

Like someone says I will pay 1000 bucks for a xenforo license because that is how much it is worth to me and I say, hey, to me it is not worth that much and then the xenfan boy gets all tough behind the pc with insults etc. Or like in the case of PaulM who is expressing his idea about something and someone says to him "Are you here just to provoke people? Because from your previous posts i can conclude that you aren't going to be buying a license."

Is anyone else getting irritated by those you know what kissers over there or is it just me :D

I thought it was just me. They announced the upcoming release at a special price for just 24 hours. Since they do not have a way to subscribe to a forum on that xenForo script, I suggested an email notification. I was told that I must come to the site every day

When I complained about that, since I am a busy person, the crowd of kissers, including the developers got nasty and told me to subscribe to Facebook, Twitter or to RSS. My God! It really felt strange having to go to other means just to get a notification. When I said so, and replied to that fan kisser, the developers got upset, closed that thread and deleted my posts. And believe me, there was nothing nasty in the posts.

That sort of attitude got me wondering. Do Kier and Mike have something to do with vB current problems? That sort of God like attitude, refusing to listen to legitimate complaint and taking the Take it or Leave it attitude (Twitter, Facebook or RSS) got me shaking my head.

Seems to me this is a prelude of things to come.

I agree with the above... I wish XF the best, I really do, but it's not a good sign so many are so full of XF already- only 2 things can happen at this point:
1) They will be disappointed because nothing could live up to unrealistic expectations
OR
2) they will make excuses for every bug/security issue/missing feature and why it isn't a problem for XF but if VB had the same issue they'd be complaining here.

If I happen to check in on the special 24 hour discount price day I'll prob grab a license just for the hell of it... but otherwise I doubt I will be getting one anytime soon.

Exactly! There are going to be some hard lessons learned with that situation, I am sure. I think the negative posts that have been written about vb4 will look like praise compared to what will ultimately be written there.

I completely agree with above. I did sign up at that site, and everyone there seems like they know each other from somewhere, just like a tight band of friends.

Anything can look great when you've got friends blindly praising it. It is certainly nice to have another bulletin board software alternative around and extra competition, but from what I've seen it's not up to all the hype and certainly not ready for my live forum (yet).

Fan kissers I could live with. But having the site owners/developers get nasty over a legitimate complaint for a basic lack of feature really puzzled me.

In the end, mark my word, that thread title here will be: xenForo, the best thing that ever happened to vB.

You will see how fast that crowd of complainers will shut up and start praising vB. It's very good for people to have something to compare

This is why I'm going to move to xenforo, and not upgarding to vb5 when it comes out:

Kier said in an interview:

I think they are starting to believe their own hype.

There is a vote on how many licences will you buy on the first day - guess what, it had no option for "none". Seriously ?

In another case, people asked about getting the feature where you double click on the forum icon to mark the whole forum read. It would appear they refuse to add this because its not an obvious feature !! {against some standard apparently}. So please dont ask for any feature that contradicts one of these "standards".

Kier went on to say he should never have added the feature into [that product I used to develop for] - refusing to simply say vBulletin. Thats just sad.

And I am wondering if that hype is not fake? For a forum to have such a hype and for both developers to keep on adding their 2 cents seconds after a fan kisser gets straighten out got me wondering if it's not them using multiple different users.

What bugs me the most is the mindset that the fewer options there are the better... Anything that someone may not use they say "Make it an add-on" rather than something that can be turned on and off via the control panel. With that thinking it's going to take dozens of mods (assuming they ever even get developed) to make it anywhere close to VB3's functionality out of the box. They need to realize for better or worse vB is the market leader- when someone goes to a forum the first time they expect it will work like vBulletin does.

Yes, I noticed that as well at that Poll. The fun will start when they will buy xenforo. Then we will see for how long it will still be the greatest thing since the slice bread :D

Personally I was planning to buy a copy the first day, just to test it, out of curiousity more than anything else, but all that hype and fanboysim there turned me off completly.

+1 :up:

One thing is for sure, the teams at both vb.com and vb.org are extremely professional. Where as over there, they might be great coders but they really need to read their Business 101 a lot.

Hear hear!

I read, I saw, you all conquered... no though, seriously I have noticed some awkward behavior and hate to hear that Lionel, you have always been a very positive and professional person from every post I have read so I choose to believe your word over theirs (if they even have a reply as to why it was done). I will be looking into xenForo when it's released i.e. purchase but from a business standpoint, nothing more... still sad to see all those who were ready to jump ship weeks ago and even today.. plus we are paying to Beta test? I thought there were enough negative people on here already accusing vBulletin of releasing vB4 and stating it's crap and still beta so how is that helping you if your one of those "types"????

I'm completely lost in regards to the "stand" or "point" many of you are taking and making when your not well informed!

Here is the post that I am referring to. The boy named Brogan kept on being aggressive towards me. I ignored him all along. Then finally I told him that agressiveness indicates a lack of intelligence. They then closed the thread, deleted a few of his posts and my single answer to him. After that they edited that boy last post to soften his tone.

You are completly right Lionel. It seems like all that hype it has gone to their head and they have started to become arrogant and rude. But if they keep that up xenforo won''t get too far.

P.s. The very same thing happened to me as well there with another fand boy you know what kisser.

Simple email notification or go through the motions to setup your smart phone to receive this or that.. yes it would be extra work and their is a difference in how things are sent and received. I never thought xF would be missing email notifications.. is that just the main site that refuses to accommodate the rest of us or will that be a missing feature in the Beta next week? I won't be able to mass-email members if I use it? No admincp/email.php??? Really? No... surely not...

@Lionel and Borbole,

Ahh but remember I'm already partially known as a vB-Fanboy so some will ignore my statements but long story short they run the boards so they acted how they saw fit, I would have went about it differently but that's me and your you so to each his own and never forget that some people should be on their own, in a galaxy far far away from others.. especially if they are making decisions without being well informed or replying to subjects that should be replied to by staff.

Lack of vision!

I've decided not to buy XenForo. The way some people are treated and spoken to on their site has, unfortunately, turned me away from the product at this time (Not by the developers, but the ones desperate for XenForo Developer love). I also don't like the "fanboy" attitude and arse lickers, starting their own xen sites to either cash in or get some more loving towards the Developers. Also, for just a forum it's fine and they have done a good job and I wish them well, but people tend to want more than that and it's missing a lot. There is nothing new I feel, just different ways in implementation.

I don't care whether you buy it or not, but it's pretty vicious to make nebulous comments like "the way some people are treated and spoken to." What people, and by whom? "Some" people lets you slander an entire community without ever having to back up your statement with facts, or be specific. It makes you no better than these vague nameless people you're complaining about.

Thank you.

I think bringing up specific usernames here when those people might not even be members here to defend themselves is in worse taste. As someone who visits both forums I understand his statements and for the most part agree with it... it's not 1 or 2 people but the mindset of a large portion of the XF community that have drank the XF kool-aide.

Also... for a young forum only product their initial (non 1 day special) pricing seems VERY over-priced to me... Maybe in a year or two they could charge that but with the lack of features they plan on launching with I was expecting a price close to half of what was announced.

And some people, simply put, do not read between the lines and we should not always provide names as the old saying goes, you know who you are :cool:

Its new and therefore its fragile. While I do recognize what has been described the last few pages, It also needs to be considered that this is a busy community that was active instantly. That after a y¤¤r of work and uncertainty by the coders. I imagine a lot is at stake. I think things will need to stabilize first. Especially in the XF community and moderation.

I do wonder whether XenForo will follow demand for features or if XF will follow mainly its own vision. The latter is an issue that was a big problem with Jelsoft IMHO.

At the very least we are seeing competition heat up and XF adding modern UI to the mix, which is much needed.

Just my 2c

I dont think the developers should be judged entirely by the actions of some of the community members. Moderation is a very difficult task and they cannot be expected to do it perfectly all the time, just as we cant expect moderation to be perfect here all the time. Please also remember that they are in a very stressful situation with a lot of work to do and no income as yet.

I dont agree with some of the policy decisions that they have made regarding features as well, but they have a vision of xenforo and lets see where it goes. Most of the features of the basic forum software are looking good and are very stable. They are inspiring a confidence and sense of creativity which is not there in vB4 as yet.

Of course they dont have any of the mods/styles etc .. which make vBulletin so great but the have a lot of talented people backing them up. They have some good vb coders/designers there already so lets see how it goes. Honestly I think they have a good chance of competing with vbulletin sometime in the future.

Also I think this will be good for vBulletin itself because having a good competitor like xenforo will force vBulletin to improve its standards as well. Forum communities will benefit as a result.

Everyone seems focused on what is missing with Xenforo...the blogs, the galleries, etc...but bottom line...isn't a FORUM suppose to be about a place to read and write posts?

And it is doing it extremely well. At an average of over 1000 posts a day for a forum just at two months old...how did your forums do at that point in time?

To be honest, some of you sound like children running home to mama to complain about how the big bad bully treated you so badly.

How many posts would they have had if there weren't posts about it on here and vbulletin.com?

I found out about it on TAZ

Ive posted a link to my site here for input and I didnt get 1000 posts per day. lol

It ain''t about the quantity but the quality ;)

Seems it's a two way street, I know we have them down here in the south so don't try the dirt road game with the rest of us :p

Good one! LOL

Due to who is behind it, not what it is.

It would have had neither the hype or popularity had two unknown people been coding it.

I expect vbulletin.com probably took off in a similar way 10 years ago.

Yes it did. Only difference was the developer was an unknown who created what UBB users craved. He happened to use UBB for his site and when it didn't scale he created vbulletin. Interestingly enough he didn't release until it was ready and didn't try to sell a beta product.

That .. I will agree 100%. :)